posted Sun, 06/08/2014 - 00:30
1408
Gear comparison
ad
Hey bros. I am wondering with all the sources on here is there differences in dosing from lab to lab for the same mgs? I been digging around and been seeing that some test 250's bottles are double in price from the same 10mls. I saw forums people saying that there is ugl and there is pharma grade. Is some of these brands really that under dosed? I am curious
- Bookmark
- 0
- 0
I smell a child! 25 probably not.
Rustyhooker"teen spirit" lol
They all (or most top labs anyway) send gear to be tested. More than likely there are some inconsistencies in dosing but it should not be far off. It's a matter of preference when dealing with US sources. The Grand Wizard says
So what does that tell you? Some dress up the bottles nicely and make pretty labels. Some keep it simple and let the gear speak for itself. Some have cult like followings. You really just have to do your homework. As to the pharma vs ugl comment. There aren't many pharma grade drugs you'll find in 10ml vials. Most will not be American pharma either. I think it's simply what UncleYoked said. A source thinks his gear is worth xyz so his /her prices differ. Apples and oranges homie. I tend to listen to the grand wizard when he speaks (which isn't often) and he says EU raws are superior to the Chinese stuff most use. Again ,...DO your homework!
+1
I don't know why UGLs seem to have a reputation for under dosing. It costs the very big overseas UGL that I use $2.00 to make a vial of Test E that they sell for $45.00. The lab and I were laughing about this. With profits that extravagant, they have no motive to under-dose anything and they don't. They actually over-dose by about 10%. Their policy. Some UGLs really over-dose by a lot to get their customers to say oooh aaahh but it is dangerous to do that - in fact, that's as irresponsible from the lab's perspective as it is from the user's perspective but they do it. The raws are so cheap that under-dosing is not going to yield anything to a big lab in terms of profits - nada - zilch. The lab wants happy repeat customers and an expanding base of new customers. They are much more concerned with reputation and customer satisfaction than anything else. The lab I use is one of the top labs on this site - not only do they mass spec their raws for purity before running production but they will also spot check the finished product as well. Go with the big guys and stay away from small boutique labs that don't have millions invested in production line equipment like the big players do. Just my opinion.
RustyhookerThen you get one of the worlds biggest ugl's that members mass spec and find out for being the biggest the purity was at 50%. And that some labels weren't accurate in any type or form.
Dont believe that biggest label scam. Definitly read...read..read. And when a batch is hot you buy big. Labs can and will fail or disappear with a snap.
tis true. bigger sources ride on a name and sometimes fancy labels. there are domestic sources that are really impressive to me, especially the sources who's mass specs rival pharma grade products.
You are totally correct when you say that ugls do not intentionally underdose gear and for some of the big ugls who's names i won't say they are very consistent. It costs even the domestic labs a little over 2 bucks to make a 10ml of test e so they have no reason to underdose gear as they know they make more money selling to us over and over again as opposed to making and extra 25 cents one time lol. The problem is the raw suppliers from china. They know most of these us domestics don't test ever batch so they sent them some really pure raws at first, and then they start to cut the raws from then on out. There not thinking of it in terms of making an extra 50 bucks one time, there thinking about making an extra 50 bucks over and over again cause they think the ugls aren't gonna test it. If a ugl buys 200 dollars worth or raws thats cut 25% thats an extra 25% the raw suppliers make. Its happened to me before. Got one good batch from a domestic, and then a few months later got the same gear and it was crap. Mass specs showed it was 43% pure. And this was a top 3 US domestic at the time. And me and you both know its not the ugl doing this. Its like buying drugs off the street. The dealers cut them to make more money.
Took me a little while to realize how it works. With that said I will be using mostly the big overseas ugls from now on.
You are 100% correct about the issue with Chinese raws. The UGLs, however, make the finished product, and no one cares about their internal problems. The lab I'm thinking of sent one of our members who has access to a mass spec a shit load of product to test as well as to another facility in Europe because they have a reputation to protect and they really can't afford problems with their biotech suppliers. The lab can get lulled into a false sense of security with good powders batch after batch coming from a supplier and then all of the sudden shit and the real shit doesn't hit the fan for a couple of months after the product is sold and the end customer realizes the product is bunk and gives the appropriate bad review. I think this has happened quite a few times in the last year and the labs that can afford it are testing all of their raws before they run production. A bad review on this site is bad news enough for a lab, but bad word of mouth is just as bad. I'm a big fan of my lab and in the years that I have been a customer - and I'm not embellishing this - I have brought them maybe over 100 new customers just from my word of mouth and it spreads from there. Regarding your last sentence - many of the big overseas UGLs operate in environments where the governments are far less hostile to the lab's operations and they can tool up with the floor space equipment and buildings to run pharma type production. That is not possible domestically. Where I buy from, I have pictures of a UGLs new building and signage right out in the open. Beautiful new production facility dedicated to the manufacture of steroids. In an office park, in public view. Try that in the US.
its bad news to refer people to a source on eroids.
Bro, thanks for clarifying this for me. I never stopped to consider what might happen to me if I so easily recommend a particular lab to acquaintances at the gym and such and then the lab goes bad . . . it would be bad news (for me).
The majority of the sources on here sell gear made by underground labs so purity is always different. One sources gear might be 60% pure and another's is 90. There isn't any regulation regarding potency as the gear not made by pharmaceutical company's who must be within FDA guidelines. There's definitely some great ugls here that produce very high quality gear. And what I've learned is price is not always a great way to estimate how pure the gear is. Some of the best gear I have used is dirt cheap and I've used gear 3x as expensive and it was garbage. As yoked said the guys that are pushing underdosed gear do not last long. As for dosing differently, I trust my sources so I follow the dose that I would be using assuming the gear is 100% pure. It's to difficult to assume it's only 50% so I should double dose etc. find someone you trust and then go with it. If you wanna run 500mgs run 500mgs. It gets dangerous to start assuming it's under dosing and then adjusting the dose based off your assumptions.
Almost all 10ml vials you will find on this site are coming from UGLs, I say almost but I haven't seen any pharma 10mls yet.
Pricing is based on what the source believes their gear is worth. Some are higher, some are lower. Does it mean the quality is different? I would say no but that's what this site is for, make your own opinions and decisions based on reviews and source intro's.
Over the last few months I have seen a lot of great sources come and go but I have not seen many in my time here that have had underdosed gear, those that did, did not last long.
+1