-1 Expert Orals Advise!
Although this is my first post, I have spent months researching on eroids and other websites in regards to my inquiry. I am planning on doing an Orals only cycle. YES, I understand all the reasons why this is not a great idea. YES, I understand I should always have a test base, and that there will be issues with blood pressure and liver toxicity. YES, I understand that it is SAFER, LESS EXPENSIVE, and MORE EFFECTIVE to use injectables. YES, I am aware of natural test shut down. The bottom line is that I hate needles. I have tried to before and it just isn't going to happen. Say what you will but at least hear me out before you post the typical sarcastic "suck it up wuss", "come back when your ready", " do more reasearch and look in the old posts about this" responses that I have seen on countless other posts here. My stats are as follows: I am 28, 6 foot 1 tall, 182 pounds, 16.5% body fat. I have done cycles of RPN HAVOK, and IBE EPISTANE a few times each with great results. I have a Masters Degree of Public Health in Nutrition from UMASS Boston and I own and operate a diet and nutrition consultation business. I will be following a very clean diet for this cycle and heavy supplementation as well consisting of hydrolysate whey for post workout, casein pm protein, milk thistle, NAC, fish oil, glucosamine, creating hydrochloride, beta alanine, nitric oxide supplements, multi vitamins, and much more. I also have the original novadex xt from gaspari nutrition that was pulled along with many other natural test booster such as P6, T-Bomb, Enpulse, Erase Pro, etc... The Money doesn't matter at all to me and I'm willing to buy any additional steroids you may recommend that I do not already have. I have A very high level of respect for the regulars who tend to post replies on many of the posts in this section and it's you who's opinions I am after. Keeping in mind that I am already aware of all the negative things you have to say about my decision to do this, if you HAD to build a cycle of just orals, what would it be? I am looking for an increase in strength and size and a decrease in body fat. I already have a stock pile of nolvadex and clomid. I have purchased bulk supplies of dbol 10mg and anavar 10mg. I am hoping that atleast one of you can give me a honest opinion of what oral steroids would be the lesser evils to take together, what dosages you would use and at what time intervals, how long of a cycle to run on them, and lastly what you would do to jump start testosterone production again after I finish them up. The only reason I chose this website to finally reach out for advice is because the users here seem to be highly educated and well spoken in comparison to many other sites and I respect and admire that very much. I need the brightest minds here to put aside their negative feelings toward oral cycles and please try to help me make the most educated decision for safety and results. I thank you very much in advance for your help and knowledge. -James
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TrenfiendIf I wasn't on test year round I would love to give it a test run and see what happens. I'd be willing to risk the shutdown to show the population what happens as far as gains on and gains kept through pct on an oral only cycle as well as lipid values. Unfortunately I cannot go back in time and change the fact that my body will produce 0 test so I can't say anything. However I have elsewhere seen people running longer cycles of lower dosed orals with ai and standard pct and claiming to keep most if not all gains. I would not personally recommend this however. If you do decide to go this route maybe you can do for others what I would like to be able to offer but cannot. I am not able to stress that I believe this is a mistake on your part, however if you decide to do it please post your results and bloodwork along with it. Hope you go the test route however. Good luck mate.
it is so hypocritical for a health professional to give out advice to clients, when this is what they want to do to themselves. highly disappointing...
your money is better spent on a high protein diet and foods rich in vitamins and minerals.
...overcome the fear of needles or STAY AWAY from steroids.
So true
In my opinion, if needles are the only legit reason you will not do the proper thing, maybe you need to stay away completely from aas. Im not calling you a wuss but I am sure in your life you have had to take some shots. I am sure, since you are here, you survived. If you are really wanting to do whats right then make a way to make it happen. Get your girl on board have her give you the shots or someone but dont sacrifice your health over a fear of needles. Will the possible results be worth it?
Worst of all in this case is that this guy has spent tons of money to buy stuff to shutt his body down, whilst garanteed to lose most all gains, and CAN gauran-damn-te his diet and training and supplient plan are slop!!! Doing all this to gain 2-3 lbs of muscle....
Guys like Leapord84 are the exact reasons i hate sharing info. Too much work and effort to look up and share.... then have this guy type up a question like this..... Dude you dont need to be doing aas.
AnonOK SEEMS LIKE THIS IS DETERIORATING FAIRLY QUICKLY.. ANYMORE, INSULTS ETC.. POOR ADVICE INCLUDE, ALL PARTICIPANTS CAN COUNT ON A TIME OUT... ANYONE WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND AND WANTS TO ARGUE, BE DISRESPECTFUL CAN MAKE IT A PERMANENT THING. KAPEESH?
tread-mHeres the thing brother, I won't bash you here even though I should. I had a guy here and lets refer to him as "dumbass" come to me for help many months ago. His idea was to blast hgh without a test base. I explained in a book how this would fail and fail miserably given the axis and what it does and went into great detail of feedback loop beginning to end, literally split an atom for this "dumbass". So his reply, and I want you to pay close attention here, was "I have problems with test and as a runner I blow out tendons from it so all I can do is blast the hgh without it" so this, and now we'll refer to him as "Ftard" proceeds to tell me he is going forward with blasting hgh without test base since he is "special" and since he is so special the creator surely gave him a different set of circumstances. Well, a few months later he came back after realizing the creator made his axis and all his feedback loops exactly like mine. He was in serious distress with heart palpitatiojns and other issues that concerned me a great deal. I'm a caring person so rather than send him to the curb I began once again trying to help. This, and now we'll call him "asshole", began to go forward with a different set of bad procedures and then later came back and blamed "bad oils" for his own personal ignorance and proceeded to blame me for his failure. He said , and this is a near quote, " I have been running this oil for months and I know my oils and this is bunk". So wait a minute, you know your oils and it took you "months" to figure out yours was bunk? Yeah, he knew his oils the same way he knew his hgh. Heres the deal brother plain and simple and I'm honest to God trying and willing to help you here, you are not special, you do not have an axis that is understanding of the fact that you don't like needles and you are about to shut down your natty test production and not immediately but in time fail. You will end up right back where you started and of this, I promise! PM me or Vike or whover you like and let us talk sense into you. We're not wanting to bash you here but you have to start with the understanding that your special circumstance does not allow you to change the science or succeed with what has failed for others over and over. You are here for a reason and if that reason is simply to find someone to agree with you then wait for them and run this thing. Once the failure has soaked in down the road with a couple of these runs come back and see us, we really do want to help here.
Pretty standard responses I see...
I used to feel exactly the same dude. I did two a-bomb only cycles, using as many supplements and nutrients as I could get my hands on to ensure I kept as much of the gain as possible.
A-bombs were a bad call. I should have gone for dbol (I know I get on better with those now).
Seriously though, either one should only be used as a kicker to an intramuscular compound. I learned the hard way. Having people ask me how I was gaining so much then having people ask how I'd lost it all so fast. It WILL happen dude, and theres nothing any supplement will do to stop that.
Not saying you haven't researched but try looking at injection sites. I used glutes. Nice soft tissue. I used to take NO notice of people who said it doesn't hurt as well. After about 3 weeks (6 injections) as long as you get the location and injection procedure right, the pain will subside.
Alternatively, you can buy numbing cream over the counter.
Bottom line is if you want natural looking gains with minimal sides, do an normal dbol/test e cycle. Dbol for 4 weeks, test e for 8-10 weeks.
I promise, you'll feel much better. I remember how toxic I felt on orals only and how I lost everything. Take the plunge and you wont look back.
I'd be much more concerned about getting your money back from all the education you had.
AnonLOL damn straight. I'm a few credits off of a BA in internal medicine ( I quit because it's a JOKE - taught WHAT to think not HOW to think ) and you know what? IT DOESN'T MEAN SHIT. The only benefit I have from my formal education is being able to understand the systems at play during an AAS cycle a little more in depth than the next guy since I can actually read medical journals and understand how things work on a cellular level, biochemically, blah blah. Not an insult to anyone btw - if you don't know the medical terminology you simply can't read the shit. I still find myself looking up a word here and there it's practically written in code.
Bottom line, that degree doesn't mean SHIT when you step into the world of AAS. There is no ( or very little rather ) solid research on AAS for the sole purpose of increasing muscle mass.... Not treating a disease, TRT, etc. You'll find a common theme among many members on TRT here - they have to TEACH their doctors... Overeducated idiots in many cases, not all of them of course but I'd have to say the vast majority. That's my person experience with them anyways....
wow some of the comments on hear, adspesally from some high ranking members, not cool IMO:-(
sgtstedankoDon't generalize. Feel free to reply whichever of us, you're referring. You're telling this dude to do a standard Dbol ONLY cycle!? Not cool, IMHO. If you've ever done one, you'd know It's a compete waste. I might not be the nicest guy in the world, but I'm fucking right. Most of the time...
i have done one and it wasnt by any means a complete waste of time, there are better cycles out there but ive heard it all befor nothing wrong with a dbol only cycle if done right, better than prohormones.
sgtstedankoYou mean, you started out @ 200, ballooned up to 220, & when all was said & done you kept 3 pounds. To end @ 203? Anything is better than prohormone. They don't even exist in my book. Unless you count 7keto as one : ) face it. It's a waste...
tread-mBrb....you're not listening very well.
Dbol 30-50mg 3 x a day for 6 weeks (standard)
If you hate needles, have you considered Andriol? testosterone undecyclenate capsules, they are pricey, but this way you can still run a test base (essential), and run your orals too!
If you dont run a small amount of test, you will run into health probs more than likely.
Hope this helps mate
TEST BASE NEEDED FOR EVERY AAS CYCLE IF YOU DONT DO THIS FORGET ABOUT USING ANY FORM OF AAS.....PERIOD.
Ridiculous
is your caps lock broke
I see you tried to down vote me!
Try doing it this way > -3 for terrible information from yourself.
lmfao vike, get em
your a arogant prick i could give a fuck about your -3, i gave him what he asked for, i know plenty of people who done a dbol only cycle for there first time and kept gains, I thinkl we all know test is best but thats not what he asked is it.
Good! so you do know the answer,i gave him and others who read this more than what he asked for!
This arrogant prick knows what he is talking about.
he clearly said he didnt want to do a injectable cycle lol
tread-mLet me clear this up for you shor and sweet junior, go over to the general and look at H's stickie about "giving advice in forums". We don't care about what he wants we care about what is safe and what works. The rule is "don not give advice if yo do understand what it is you are doing or if you do not understand the "safe" procedures we adopt on this board. Your advice is out of compliance with not only the stickie in question but with good general knowledge about AA* in general. Refrain from poor advice and btw, I would walk softly insulting people around here with your childs tongue, particularly people who are senior members and know much more than you do. If you love this place make this happen before you find yourself unable to log in brother. I'm a nice guy to everyone but I have my limits as well and you're kinda pushing on two of those now.
how the fuck is a 6 week dbol cycle wrong its coman practice for beginers where im from.
tread-mSEE ALL THE RED UP TOP THATS GOT YOUR NAME ON IT, If you want explanation you can PM me, I'm easy to get along with this is not our practice here on this board in terms of oral only. You're not going to change our minds brother I promise. Lets get a fresh start how bout it....
mate iam not bothered about getting banned i got better things to do than chat shit on hear, but fair enough its your lots site so iam out. peace xx
Dont know or care where the fuck you come from!
I can tell you this you will be banned if you keep this shit up!
tread-mGive it a minute brother....
My answer was a blanket comment for anyone reading this post,how you can say it was wrong is beyond me.. nobody can keep gains from any oral only cycle the only gain that could be kept would be through the increase in cals or training intensity used whilst ON liver damage and HPTA shutdown is not worth the risk so i would/could not condone the single use of orals to anybody ever,and i suggest you have a re/think before telling anybody to go chewing on 30/50mg of d/bol without the proper nessacary precautions in place.
"nobody can keep gains from any oral only cycle" ...ok
sgtstedankoYou deserved that thumbs down from me. You prick...
I want a needle in my ass now!
Might aswell just stay natural.
I love pinning!
sgtstedankoYes, you are aware, you're a pussy. Right!? You are wasting you money, plain & simple. Your degree may cloud your judgement here, a little. Things look good on paper sometimes, but in real life. They suck. This is a bad idea. The needle does not hurt. At all! If you get good, clean gear (not hard around here) little pip, if any. All you will do in doing thi, is. If you insist on rhis shitty idea. Go var only@100mg every fucking day, for 10 weeks, w/liv52ds ed starting b4 you start munching your pills, & continuing after.no alcohol, either...That way at least you'll keep your hard earned 3 pounds. Maybe. Bottom line. Bad idea. Pinning does not hurt, at all. To get results you have to do it. IMHO, all you can do w/oral only is, maintain muscle... Seriously, research more.
Suck it up and pin. Not what you want to hear, but it's the reality of the situation. Otherwise, stick to natural and good nutrition. You will not reach any advanced levels without injecting. You're only going to risk your health and waste your time.
Good Luck