Deca Dick With Normal Blood Levels?
I dropped deca about 3 months ago due to having deca dick. I added in some caber to help bring down my prolactin and progesterone levels, and it seemed to work as the blood tests show:
Test - Measured: 28.4 Normal: 1.3 - 19.3 nmol/L
Free Test - Measured: 149.2 Normal: 6.0 - 27.0 pmol/L
Estradoil - Measured: 146 Normal: 15.6 - 146 pmol/L
Progeseterone - Measured: 2.7 Normal: 0.3 - 2.7 nnom/L
Prolactin - 8.3 - Measured 8.3 Normal 2.6 - 13.1 ug/L
Thing is though I still have no real sex drive or can hardly keep an erection. I am currently cruising with 150 mg test/week. Running HCG 500 2x/week and taking 12.5 mg aromisin EoD
Just wondering where I should go from here. Should I drop everything and let my body reset? Or keep up the caber to bring down the prolactin and progesterone levels even more?
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Just to update everyone I have a doc's appointment tomorrow. I'm thinking he'll refer me to an endo to help me out. I'll make sure to keep everyone updated
RustyhookerAWESOME!!
Not sure where you people are getting your Aromasin dosing from, but 12.5mg EOD is not a sufficient enough dose. MIGHT be for some, but for the most part, Aromasin should be ran ED, 25mg to start with and go down from there. It is very hard to crash your e2 with Aromasin.
This is twice now that you've gave bogus doses for aro man.
RustyhookerNot true. I run aro over adex depending on cycle. Shouldn't run anything without bloods to prove it's use. Or after many cycles when hou can tell what your body does.
Start a New Forum to chat. The OP needs help.
I agree with rolltide that is to much aro to take it should be 12.5 every other day
Everyone different for sure I like using as small a dose of aro as possible as to not hinder goals but some guys are super sensitive so they need it ed but everyone different but 25 ed is alot
What are u talking about 25 ed of aro can easily crash your estro and aro is very strong and can crash estro at 12.5 eod smh
lol ok. I've been on aromasin 25mg ED, just had bloods done and my e2 is perfect. Clearly his 12.5mg EOD is working well for him.
1st, the OP needs to see a doctor and work this out. 2nd, your advice is off, His aro is not working and that could be because of many reasons (dosage, bunk or under-dosed, etc.). Having him basically quadruple his dose is NOT the prudent choice. Just because it worked for you, doesn't mean it will work for him at that extreme dose. Your aro could be under dosed as well. ED dosing is the correct way and he should start by taking his 6.25 to 12.5 ED (tops) and then see what his bloods say then. Not sure why you think that everyone here says aromasin is dosed EOD, because everyone I know here doesn't recommend that and says ED. Maybe you're spending too much time in the SI areas.
Am I missing something here or what? His E2 is at the tip of the normal range. When I run high test and use pharmaceutical Femara (letro) from Novartis at high doses E2 will still be way over the top of the range. I don't get ED because of high E2. Never did. Why all this focus on E2 and his AI?
Deca dick I always thought was caused by DHN just like it says in the wiki on nandrolone:
"Erectile dysfunction is attributed to the weaker action of dihydronandrolone in the penis since dihydrotestosterone is a known sexual modulator."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nandrolone
Seems like a fancy way of saying DHT is good for erections and DHN does the opposite.
But now the guy has plain old ED it would seem. So why again the discourse on AI's?
I always thought it was due too rapid and severe hpta shutdown, causing to much stress of pgr in hypothalamus, by shutting down gnrh, lh, fsh and your natural test production, also by elevated prolactin levels and the progesterone receptor being over active, hypothalamus is responsible for multiple things including sexual behaviour, it controls our nervous system and our endocrine system by communicating with the piturity gland.
don't believe everything you read on wiki mate, I could go on there rite now and edit that whole article.
Just the opposite. Elevation in progesterone and prolactin really have nothing to do with it. The wiki reference is not where I learned about the activity of DNH, rather whoever put that in there just confirmed what I already understood to be the case - that's the reason I used it as a reference.
so what your saying is that im wrong gearhead?? please elaborate......
I'm saying it is NOT as CNS issue caused by an over active progesterone receptor. If that makes you wrong than so be it bro . . . the topic is not of sufficient interest to me to research scholarly articles on the subject, but if it is to you . . . by all means go for it
This was a complete sidetrack from the OP. Trying to answer and/or correct someone who said 25mg ED would help. This was unrelated to the ops issue, but it came off as being related. Good example of why not to hijack a thread.
Whatever ARo is very potent and can easily crash estro no one iv ever heard of runs 25 ed of aro but if its works for u good for u. If u would read the whole thread hes been on cycle for seven months and hes messed himself up there's alot ore goin on than his aro that's why he needs an endo BC he's prolly fried his hpta
This is the only forum I've been on that anyone ever says to run aromasin EOD let alone at that low doses. It's clear that the OP, at that dose of 12.5mg EOD has HIGH estrogen. He needs to up his dose. His prolactin is elevated due to his HIGH estrogen. There is no such thing as "deca dick". It's people that have no idea how to keep their e2 levels in check when using a 19nor.
Ya I take aro at 12.5 EOD and have great results and I'm done with this glad u know all and everyone so dumb why dont u tell this young man how to fix this problem then. U are missing the whole point of this its not to keep goin its to try to get his body back to normal smh. A lot of people run aro at that dosage and a lot of people run 6.25 ta 12.5 ed and aro is very potent and will crash your estro lol u are the only person. Iv ever heard say aro is not strong and hardly ever crashes estro
^^^^ aro is deff strong enough to crash estro that's a first ive ever hear that.
Cialis 20mg once a week, with some proviron at 50mg/d always "fixes" my libido when I have problems, and puts my sex drive through the roof.
That, or you're just not surrounded by females you're sexually attracted to. Or some other medical reason.
Either way, give Cialis a shot.
RustyhookerProviron off cycle CRASHES your system. BLOODS posted to prove this!!!!
Erection and Sex Drive are VERY different pathways. You suggest a bandaid for a blowout.
Like mtyhooker said below, it is time for a doctor. You have ED. This is not a PCT issue. All PCT does is restore natural testosterone production post cycle. It is not a remedy for ED. In fact, you have put yourself on TRT on your own. TRT doesn't cause ED.
I take it u live outside the US? I'm just guessing this from the molar concentrations on your blood test. In the US we mostly use mass concentrations.
Is it hard getting to see a doc for ED?
You're correct. I live in Canada.
And no, it shouldn't be difficult to get a doctor for ED.
When a lot of folk see those reference ranges it looks as strange to us in the states as our blood test ranges would look to you.
For example, Labcorp and Quest are two of the biggest blood testing companies. For Labcorp the Test range is 348-1197 ng/dL and the Estradiol range is 7.6-42.6 pg/mL. I think someone below said E2 should be around 30. Right, only in the states.
I also get bloody confused when looking at other measurements.
I'm not sure what to say about PCT at this point. You've been running Test now long enough that it certainly raises some concern as to whether a normal PCT will work. If you're worried about HCG desensitization - while it is a little self-serving on the part of Scally and a little bit of "light reading" take a look at:
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/156877-hcg-dese...
AND
http://www.uk-muscle.co.uk/steroid-testosterone-information/195801-new-p...
There must be other MD's beside Scally that get involved with HPTA restoration. Time to start doing some research, bro. If u do the Power PCT on your own, I'm not smart enough about medicine to know if there is a risk to it.
RustyhookerYou trashed your system fully. Go to Dr and pray that you can get fixed. Or this will be PERMANENT
Those ranges seem off. Your E2 is high (this could be your problem).
12.5 mg eod of stane at that test dose should have your E2 lower. Something is not adding up here.
Whats your stats? How long have you been at 150mg per week of test?
Stats: 31years old, 5'5 and 175 lbs ~10 - 12% bf.
This is what I was thinking. It's either my stane is bunk, or something else. I was recently doing ~200 mg/week of test, but just dropped it down to 150 since it's easier measuring (Using Sust 250 which is 300 mg/ml)
cruising on a low dose of sustanon? kind of irrelevant at this point seeing you know what you need to do now with the advice already given, but I'm curious how often you pin. if it's only once a week your test levels are going to be all over the place with the shorter esters dropping out after a few days.
get yourself restarted and take a long break from aas
Are u not trt why are u asking if u should stop u have been on for over half a year. So u want to be trt wow u can't get hardons hardly so the answer is keep goin. Dude u need to evaluate your life goals
I am simply exploring my options. That is all
And what pray tell option are you exploring? you are fried and that is your answer you are not looking for. Get off the test, do an aggressive PCT and get your ass to a endo. I just cant believe this stupidity. What fkn good is libido if the fkn tool doesnt work? SMFH.
The only option u have left is trt for life. There might be a chance to save your hpta but to keep goin is only goin to compound this problem. Do u want to be trt for life a slave to the pin every week till u die?
As I do appreciate your concern; the thing is I always had low T levels and no sex drive.
Having an increased sex drive, better well being and more confident is okay with me if I need to pin once a week.
What good an increased sex drive if u can't keep a hard on as u posted. I'm cool with it your life if u mess yourself up u have to live with the consequences
If I'm horny I can keep it hard. I have been there before
And yes, I'm aware if I make my bed I have to lay in it
Remember the symptoms of high e2 and low e2 are very similiar. It's suprisingly easy to crash your e2! I ran adex for my first 2 cycles and felt like my e2 was all over the place. I much prefer stane!! Bloodwork is the key!
Thanks for the reminder.
Instead of laying in some shit bed, get off your ass and fix this! Search a re-boot, aggressive PCT here on eroids and jump on it. Go see a doctor. Do EVERYTHING you can to get back to normal. Man up my friend.
Tried googling some aggressive PCT on the site, but didn't come up with anything besides this: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/aggressive-pct
Went to google and came up with this. It was called Power PCT. Though from the research I've read taking HCG for PCT isn't recommend
HCG DAYS 1-16: 2500iu eod
CLOMID DAYS 1-30: 50mg 2x a day
NOLVADEX DAYS 1-45: 20mg ed
Any suggested links I should check out, vhman?
There are a few posts about rebooting your system that I've seen here on eroids. I'll see if I can find one for you. Maybe you should post a forum topic regarding this and get more opinions. I feel that at your age you may be able to accomplish this. It's worth a try. You only have a lifetime of pinning to avoid.
Thanks, bud. I'll do so
Here's another one:
http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/updates/the-reboot-pctestablishing-base...
I'm on my phone so it's hard to get these. I'll do more tomorrow when I'm on my computer.
Really appreciate this. Thank you
I'll post links as I find them:
http://www.eroids.com/pics/muta-miracle
Plus one for goin out of your way and been so helpful
Do your joints hurt? Are you over sensitive? Are you retaining a little more water then usual?
If you anwsered yes. Then your E2 is most likely the problem. Get some new aromisin. E2 should be at around 30.
I answered yes to the first two. My knees hurt after squats occasionally. Overly sensitive when I shouldn't be? Yes. Haven't noticed much water.
But thanks for the advice, bro!