Deca and test ratios
I've always read keep your test ratios 2:1 with deca. I've always practiced this, and it's never failed me. The reasoning behind why struck home with me, and I've never really wanted a limp dick.
Strolling the cycle logs the last few years, I've seen hundreds of posts where this general rule of thumb has seemed to have gone out the window. I see people running deca higher, or 600 mg of each, and I think " this ones going to be a disaster". Maybe I haven't followed up on enough of them, but I haven't seen the same people running back for help. Many of these are experienced users. At least they say so.....
I keep my cycles pretty moderate. I can accomplish everything I want to with 300 mg a week of deca and 600 test. So my question, is this an old school thought I've followed? Do any see benefit from running deca even or higher than their test? I'm not actually interested in changing my methods, more so looking to understand everyone else's reasons. It's also bulking season and the forums have been slow since everyone is drowning in their politics.
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Everything has gone out the window lately bro..... the ones that now think they know better will be future reading for us older guys in a few years, in my experience when we fuck with the basics things tend to go tits up!!
The basics are my best friend. I like to keep things simple enough I don't have to take a bunch of ai's and other shit trying to find balance. Keep it simple, eat and train hard, and do the dishes more often during bulk season because my snoring pisses the wife off when I'm heavier. Lol.
I'm honestly glad I got that whole " learn the hard way" stuff out of the way before I discovered gear.
Speaking of tits up.... February is when all the gyro posts start pouring in. Right after new year. We have that to look forward to. Lol
Kind of along the lines of if it ain't broke, don't try to fix it.
They are the basics because they have been proven to work the the best.
What's classic and apropos saying!
There is a difference between npp and deca, yes they are both nandrolone 19nors but its to do with the massive build up the long ester has, if its run properly, dosage and cycle length wise you definatley want your test way higher- 2-1 is tried and tested, these people running npp for 8 weeks can get away with it the other way around but as stated you will feel like shit on a proper deca run imo, and these 12 week decaonate cycles are no good, the build up to peaks take longer than that, and running test e or c you still need to run it atleast 3 weeks beyond your deca not only due to half life but clearance time, said it b4 say it again most dudes finish up pct b4 the massive decaonate ester has even finished or cleared. Test higher than decaonate imo for sure.
I definitely agree. I think that's why a lot of people complain about the hard shut down. It's not out off their system before they're trying to reboot. I'd even go as far to say that a lot of the " self prescribed " trt scenarios are because of situations like this.
If I'm not mistaken, it's detectable for a year. Traces stick around for a good while. It's really not a compound to be used lightly.
Do you absolutely need to take caber when taking Deca? If you run a 2:1 does that help prevent permanent test shuy down. I keep reading all these posts about Deca completely shutting you down and never coming back, hence why i am a little hesitant to try it. I have just one 10ml vial of Deca 500 and was thinking of just taking 250mg per week. and running 500 of test cyp. Is this a safe and productive dose? Thanks
You need to do more research before you consider running Deca. The statements you made about shutdown are off base bro.
I keep reading all posts on this forum and others where people are telling people to stay away from Deca because it can shut you down for good. Not my statements, just asking questions to you guys who know more than i about Deca. Isn't that what these forums are for?
Sorry, but meant to also say that there is a sticky in this same forum titles Steroid Usage 101. It leads to an article with the basic information that a person needs to understand before even thinking about pinning. It gives a general overlook of each area which in turn should give you plenty of ideas of the areas to research on your own in depth. As I've learned from the guys here: Education and preparation will keep you from aggravation and frustration.
I've recently been studying Deca in depth. I almost made the mistake of running Deca on only my second cycle. But, thanks to guys like Makwa, I thought better of it, especially at my age. I don't know one tenth as much about AAS usage as most of the guys here, but since I have listened to them, I have been doing much more research as of late and can give you some ideas of what to study since that is exactly what I am doing right now.
You mentioned Caber. Research it in depth to understand why it is suggested for use with a 19nor.
Study the hormones of the body and how they function in a normal person. Research how they interact with each other. Understanding normal hormone activity is one of the most important aspects of dealing with AAS usage I believe since you are adding hormones to an otherwise balanced system. Like I said, I don't know nearly as much as I need to before attempting to pin again, but I'm researching hormones, male reproductive system in relation to hormone production and activity, the different structural chains of each AAS, hormone receptor activity, symptoms of hormone imbalance of each hormone involved with AAS, and much more.
Throw in my diet research and proper training research, and I stay pretty busy reading. I would also say to be sure to make note of the sources of your research. There are a lot of people out there writing a lot of things that turn out to be pure bull.
Any steroid can destroy your HPTA and effectively "shut you down". Deca has proven to be one of the most suppressive steroids available so you need to ask yourself if the potential "gainz" are worth the risk. Again, you need to do more research before your next cycle.
ok will do, not planning on doing anything for next 14 weeks. I am just ending a test cyp and var. That was my second, my first was a test only. I was told to start slow and do test only. Worked great then went to a little higher test dose and added var. Not trying to win Mr universe just get some good solid gains. Thanks for the info bro!!
If test works well for you then stick with it. If you can cycle and pct on just test and maybe an oral then keep doing it. You are in your 30's and if you start trying advanced cycles, Deca is advanced, you might just destroy your HPTA. TRT sucks and Deca has a real good possibility of making you a slave to the pin.
Just 1 shot of 100mg of deca will shut you down completely for an entire month. So you will have to make the call if you feel that is a safe dose since it is your HPTA.
Currently running test 500 mg a week and deca 400 mg a week and have noticed my sex drive is fantastic at the moment.
This is my first time running these ratios and so far it is working wonders for strength and lean mass. I am also running Arrimidex every other day and caber twice a week.
Every thing that I have read and been able to gather is that guys start having ED when their prolactin is out of control.
Like anything on this game you have to find what works with you and your body.
I know somebody who ran test/deca 2:1 once with all the right support and he got ED for 6 months.. another who ran an deca only for a first cycle, no support, no pct, nothing and wouldn't you know he made some insane LEAN gains.
Life is not fair, some of us are genetically predisposed to excel in this lifestyle and some get gyno and go bald.
I run 1-1 ratio. But when using these two compounds I run low dose. 300-400 each. At my age 44 I find less gear better macro and training yields as good if not better results than a ton of oil.
As a very inexperienced person when it comes to AAS usage as well as being the same age, thank you for this comment. Even in the simplest of comments I learn a good bit. Thanks!
I've run NPP with TRT doses of test and never had an issue with sex drive.
100mg NPP/20mg TP EOD
I might give it a try. Curiosity has me now. I typically keep things mild enough that I don't need an ai or dopamine agonist. As far as test goes, I don't readily convert beyond the red on moderate doses, but I'm really reactive to ai's so finding balance is more trouble than what it's worth. I've kept that practice with 19 nors and just kept it at a sweet spot where prolactin isn't an issue.
What was your Caber dosage?
.25mg/week for most of it. I doubled that dose the last couple weeks.
Thanks!
I'm looking to see what the experienced bros say. I've only run it at test 500 npp 350 and I had no issues. Next time my goal is test 375 and npp/Deca 600-700. From what I've researched it's more about guys not dealing with prolactin, so they keep the test higher to basically not notice the issues.
I had no issues running 1:1 tpp/npp.
A big part of me wondered if this mindset didn't predate our understanding of 19 nors and prolactin control. The way it was touted was to control the negative effects, so it probably is outdated beliefs. Old habits die hard.
Prolactin may play a part in it, I really don't know. I didn't need any caber running it 1:1. I was doing 150mg MWF, kept my estro in check and everything seemed to be going fine. I had to cut that cycle short at 6wks so who knows if taking it out another couple of wks would have caused issues. You would think if there was going to be issues they would have shown up by 6 wks already though.
GnarkillGood question I will be following to see what the vets have to say +1