Can honestly say I have never ever had an urge to do D-bol. I know Arnie use to always say it was the Breakfast of Champions but I swear I just view it as Advanced Formula Creatine. Hard for me to get that out of my head.

DBol causes water retention in the body in general, especially the muscle - its part of the way it exerts its effects because of added intracellular water within the muscle, resulting in better leverages and being stronger plus it causes glycogen loading. Increasing estrogen is also something it has a habit of doing which in turn helps joints massively when lifting heavy. If you don't want these side effects then don't use it

Save the Dbol til your 2nd cycle see what 500 test does or at least give the test 6-7 weeks before adding I’d say 20 mgs a day for 20 days.

Lmao! Facial swelling! Back when you could get dbol right from pharmacy 15mg was a good sized dose. 5mg pharmacy tabs at 1 every 4hrs with complex carbs and protein i added 12kept pounds while leg pressing 725 at 4 sets of 12. Somethings very wrong when jumping to a massive dose to find side effects. Armold ate dbol like pez and he claimed 30mg was his max a day. But again he was 7x mr olympia so what does he know?! Sarcasm....

Dude if hairloss or water retention scares you then maybe rethink your lifes goals. Looking FOR sides as success is ill advised. My opinion is if that sources dbol requires 50mg to grow then we can chat about massively underdosed.

1-12 test 500
1-4 dbol as listed above 15mg split
Week 5 blood test considering dbol and e2.

Add winstrol.. simplest way i can put it.
U really wanna get crazy u can add sdrol. But that's a very advanced move right there and not for much long term. Also some masteron would do the trick.
What were u planning running with that??

Lower sodium intake & B6
Drink more water lol and pee it out. If your pretty lean as is dude I wouldn't worry about it . Dbol is fun

Man recently I ran 3 weeks of dbol at 50mg/ED PWO. From a reputable source that has fire gear. Got thrown in as an extra and said fuck ima do a little experiment.

I kept my diet dialed in, did cardio, and kept estrogen in check. I loved it. Had no moon face, looked full but didn't look like a dam water buffalo or puffy. Stayed veiny and felt strong as fuck. Also had just a very good overall feeling of well being.

I feel like dbol gets a bad wrap because a lot of dudes take it on a bulk and don't watch diet, don't do cardio and dont keep their e2 low. Possibly also because they run it much longer.

30mg is not a low dose of DBOL for a starter imo. I’ve seen results off of 5mg first using it. 10-15-20-25 is wayyy more reasonable. Whats the reasoning behind whole hog at 30 if you’ve never tried it? Better to be safe than sorry. E2 out of control, BP problems, and oily/damaged skin on top of others.

I don’t bloat too badly on it as I keep my estrogen in control thus holding less water.

Just have an AI on hand no matter what you decide to do!