Cycle suggestions to better my cycle. Food guide/weights
Hey guys, I have been on the forums for a long time had another account Chaz32621 few years back and this is the new one. So I really just wanted some suggestions, or some dos and dont's.
These are my stats:
250 6'4 16% BF
This is my fifth cycle. Probably my second most mg cycle Ive done. I am going to run it for 15 weeks. I tend to do better with longer cycles. I ran a 8 week cycle of prop and ace and my last week it had just started getting good. :/
Currently in week 6.
Week 1-15
600mg Tren Ace/wk
500mg Test E/wk
Week 1-4
Tbol - 50mg/ED
Week 8-15
Winny - 50mg/ED
12.5mg EOD Aromasin
Caber/Prami on hand if needed. I have actually started using it.
When trying to cut bodyfat down what has worked best when running tren? Right now I am doing a low carb keto style diet with 30min cardio sessions a day in morning then weights at night. So far it has been going good strength has gone up. But at what limit can I really cut cals and still benefit from a hardcore training session? And still possible put muscle on. My biggest goal right now is to trim the fat. But who wouldn't want to put size on too? Yes, its a cal deficit but I'm on I should still grow a little??
Also what has been everyone's experience with Winny? Can I bump it up? This is my first time running Winny 2nd time running tren ace and ran tren e once not so great.
Thanks Yall!!
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15 weeks of tren ace looks like one hell of an ugly recovery. Orals front and back? Rather you than me.......
I know it isnt the proper thing to do. Ha, but I really wanted to try winny never have and I didnt wanna spend the money to get var. I am no where near ripped enough to even use that let alone I shouldnt even be messing with winny but I heard it benefits somewhat like proviron.
If I intake 1000mg of salt or more I bloat bad. Even off my body always retained water like a bitch.
I dont think you need 8 weeks of the stuff, especially if its your first time. id cut it to the last 4 maybe 5 weeks, giving your liver 6-7 weeks off all orals before starting as opposed to only 4. Theyre more then liver toxic, tbol wreaks havoc on your lipid profile, and tren.........nothing tops what that shit will do to your lipids. mix them together and its bad. So taking a long break between the orals so your not doubling the destruction of your lipids would be a wise idea.
Even better idea, forget the tbol kicker, your using tren a use a prop kicker while the test e kicks and and both will be in full swing in 10 days or so. No need for a oral kicker.
And another idea, id only run the tren the first 10 weeks, then drop it, that will be plenty of time to let the tren do its thing, then you got the prop and winny in there the last 5 weeks to really harden up, dry out etc. 15 weeks of tren man, some can handle it others will end up in jail, seperated from their wives, gfs dumped them etc, its a mind fuck, then the effects on ones body. Really not a drug that should be ran for 15 weeks. Get your bf down to a true 12% or so before starting and 10 weeks of tren will be plenty of time to strip a bunch more fat off then you probably bringing you into the singles and then you still got 5 more weeks to reall tighten up and get even leaner. Thats my 2 cents.
You said it. He's only 26 and already running this cycle so I wonder as to the state of his HTPA and if recovery is even an option.
Stats
Age: 26
Height: 6'4
Weight: 253
BF: 17
So first off you're 26 and you're running all this gear. Why? At your age it's not necessary. Can you provide some more details about your previous cycles. Have you followed proper PCT protocols and time off? What's the plan for PCT with this cycle? Do you have blood work? Major concern here is your HPTA getting permanently shut down if it's not already.
I have a few thoughts on the cycle itself and your diet which is all wrong for this cycle and your goals. I'm going to hold of providing these until I hear back on the above.
This is my first cycle since Summer of 2015 I have been off for more then a year. My first cycle I did I was 22.
They are as follow: All with proper AI and PCT
1. Test E 500mg 12 weeks
2. Test E 500mg Deca 400mg 12 Week with Tbol as a kickstarter
3 1-10 Test Prop 75mg eod
1-8 Tren Ace 200mg eod
1-8 Mast Prop 150mg eod
1-4 Tbol 50mgED
4. Test E 250mg Tren Ace 300mg 12 Weeks Tbol kickstarter - This ended February 2015.
So actually I have been off for a year. Just training, eating and cardio.
This is for sure the longest I have been off. I went through these four cycles in a hurry almost right after another. Thought Id slow it down some mature some. So now I'm ready.
My PCT changes some a little based on how shutdown I am but normally whats worked best for me is:
Torem 60/60/45/45
Clomid 50/50/25/25
Nolva 20/20/10/10
Sometimes HCG if needed.
I recover fairly well and I normally end with a little test ace to help start pct at a exact time. This cycle I don't however.
I hated Deca got me bloated and way to big way to fast lol.
My training has always been very good. But when it comes to dieting I have never really been 100 percent on getting
it right with what my cycle called for.
I went from a guy who was 340lb down to around 215 then started cycliny. It took me 4 years to drop the weight. So I know how to diet to some extent. But I need that extra push that extra do this instead of that.
I do blood work quite often, before middle and end. My biggest health risk is blood pressure. I know Tren increases that but I take quite a few natural herbs to help lower it. Lower salt in diet as well. Salt bloats me so much.
I also have liver support which I take every day with fish oil and multi vit.
Thanks for to detailed reply.
So next steps. Can you pls post your latest pre-cycle blood work. I'd like to see the majors you're using for this cycle. You day you've never been 100% with your diet but as you've achieved what you be achieved you must know how to set these and what foods you would eat to hit the macros. Cutting fat is all about diet and activity. So let's see your thinking here and go from there.
This cycle is total overkill though and the cycle length is a major problem. Depnding on what you say I will recommend some significant changes.
I can give u numbers of bloods when I am back, out of town at the moment and don't know them off the top of my head. Will be back end of week.
My diet:
I am doing IF but I have between a 10-8 hour window depending on the day sometimes 6 if I am not hungry. I have one cheat meal a week early Saturday morning consisting of lots of carbs I do cardio 3 times a week in morning and lift 6 times a week. Some extra cardio if there is still energy in the tank. If I am not out of town I have a lifting partner. I was doing 5x5 training for the start while it was kicking in. Did 3 set of 10 mostly while the time I was off. Now I stick in the range of 8-12 but heavy the last few reps are hard maybe minor rest before I push it. My day "off" consist of me going to gym or a gym(If I am out of town) and doing a nice steady easy cardio session followed by a nice workout of mostly entire body. Semi medium weight little more on heavy side. Kind of a superset type style. Nice stretch while doing the motion just mentally preparing me for the week.
My job has me working out of town quite a bit but thankfully I get pampered fairly well. I always get set up with a local gym walking distance of my hotel or uber/lyft if available. And always have quality meals whenever needed. So not eating correctly isn’t an excuse for me more so am I eating correctly the best for what I am taking.
Granted I have probably cut down 10 pounds or so of mainly fat. Strength has been through the roof.
My meals consist of this:
AM(Few hours after wake up depending on fasted state night before)
2 Eggs
1 Whole grain wrap
Cup Egg Whites
2 hours after
Apple/ 2 scoop Whey Protein
Lunch
Chicken 8lb/or Steak or Shrimp/Fish – meat in general
With 3 cups of veggies or salad. No salad dressing plain or with cottage cheese
Somewhat dependent if I have lunch meeting
2 hours after normally 2 more scoop whey.
I use ON whey hydrolyzed whey
Dinner normally consist same as lunch maybe more meat.
Lame and boring lol
Sorry I need to know how many grams of protein, carbs and fat you're eating. I went and tried to track this myself based off the above. I assume you mean 8 oz not lb of chicken? So if that's the case then I get roughly 260g protein, 75g carbs and 50g fat for 1790 calories. Of which about 90g of protein is coming from protein powder. Does this sound right? I am doubtful because for your stats and using Harris Benedict equation gives you a BMR of 2447 calories per day and a TDEE of 4160 calories with heavy activity. If you are truly eating only 1790 calories per day you are radically under eating for your stats even if the goal is to lose weight/fat. You've got no where to go when your plateau and metabolic adaptations take place. Can you please clarify what your tracking says your eating in terms of grams of protein, carbs and fat. I am not even getting into the cycle until I understand what is going on with your diet.
I wouldn't say early Saturday morning. More so in my eating window whenever that is but start of the day.