posted Thu, 07/03/2014 - 23:47
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Body not responding to a compound? hear my story
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I was running tren ace with every cycle, made impressive strength gains everytime. After a while the gains seemed to cut short (bench stayed at 385 at my bodyweight of 232. I took a 2month break and took 50 MCG of t3 a day as I did some research on to clear receptors. Got back on and in 2 weeks I was repping 405 for 3 reps and leaned down to 282. Asked several people and they said its not possible to build a tolerance to compounds? (same batch of tren ace I ordered about 30 vials from the same person same batch #s)
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I am astounded that since our senior MOD has already made an appearance in this thread below that he didn't make mince meat out of you. You are a train wreck bro. You're "always on" at 25? You don't give a rats ass about your own health? Tren on and off and on and off? When the fuck was your last blood test bro? On, top of the blast and cruise highway to hell you're doing thyroid manipulation as well? 50 mcg of T3 for two months? Fucking great bro. You either are utterly clueless with respect to the consequences of unabated long term steroid use - like sterility, kidney failure, liver failure, heart failure, etc. for lack of research and you are of normal intelligence, or you are a complete moron (which is rare). You ordered 30 vials of Tren? WTF? You're a complete menace to yourself and need help. Eroids is a safety first pro AAS website. I'm just not sure that this is the right fit bro. 30 vials of Tren. Really.
hungrybear1226would you like to show me where I said I was "always ON"?
And of course I will be using ALL 30 vials of tren on myself in a short time right?
You sound just like one of those idiots on TV who blame steroids for the death of every athlete who had a roid related case. I'm taking a third of what other people on here are taking you don't need to worry about me.
You said below that you are blasting and cruising AND cycling... SO what is it? are you blasting and cruising with 8-10 week blasts or are you cycling with short off periods???????
And you just called a well respected member of this site and idiot when you don't even realize how dumb you sound with your use of AAS terminology.
hungrybear1226Fanboy please show me where "I sound dumb" with my AAS terminology.
Point out where I am incorrect so I am more knowledgable on AAS terminology and use the right words so I don't "sound dumb"
anyways like I said I have gotten my answer already you can continue to bicker over nothing with your buddy gearhead.
I gave you a chance but it appears that you are either not 25 or not emotionally ready to be a part of the site! probably have better luck elsewhere.
Bro,
Yes, well, that's why I avoid steroids and other dangerous substances and stick to over the counter supplements like fish oil.
You see - there as well - you know much more about this website than I do. I wasn't even aware that we had a section where all the members post what they are taking.
GearHead
hungrybear1226http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs
Please continue to make yourself look stupid.
I already got my answer from Champion of the mind.
And don't worry I've been on this website 3 times longer than you have.
I wouldn't care if you fucking founded the website. LMFAO. 30 vials of Tren. That is funny. Really it is.
when are you gonna stop starting shit on the site? I should just follow you around beings you attract all the drama! LMAO
hungrybear1226Yeah you made yourself looking like a fucking idiot and now resorting to insults. Funny how the cycle logs exist on this forum huh?
hungrybear1226Yes you read that correct 3 times longer than your year here.
hungrybear1226One of the most persistent myths in bodybuilding is that T3 use has to be limited in time and/or dose to prevent damage to the thyroid gland. You see bros posting about non-existent people who are supposedly on T3 forever because they used too much of it and destroyed their thyroid gland. NONSENSE!
Nandi (RIP) researched and wrote a great article on T3, which I have stuck in the articles section. Please read it.
This is what I consider the most important myth-busting part of Nandi's article:
Like the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis, the thyroid gland is under negative feedback control. When t3 levels go up, TSH secretion is suppressed. This is the mechanism whereby exogenous thyroid hormone suppresses natural thyroid hormone production. There is a difference though between the way anabolic steroids suppress natural testosterone production and the way t3 suppresses the thyroid. With steroids, the longer and heavier the cycle is, the longer your natural testosterone is suppressed. This is not the case with exogenous thyroid hormone.
An early study that looked at thyroid function and recovery under the influence of exogenous thyroid hormone was undertaken by Greer (2). He looked at patients who were misdiagnosed as being hypothyroid and put on thyroid hormone replacement for as long as 30 years. When the medication was withdrawn, their thyroids quickly returned to normal.
Here is a remark about Greer's classic paper from a later author:
"In 1951, Greer reported the pattern of recovery of thyroid function after stopping suppressive treatment with thyroid hormone in euthyroid [normal] subjects based on sequential measurements of their thyroidal uptake of radioiodine. He observed that after withdrawal of exogenous thyroid therapy, thyroid function, in terms of radioiodine uptake, returned to normal in most subjects within two weeks. He further observed that thyroid function returned as rapidly in those subjects whose glands had been depressed by several years of thyroid medication as it did in those whose gland had been depressed for only a few days" (3)
These results have been subsequently verified in several studies. (3)(4) So contrary to what has been stated in the bodybuilding literature, there is no evidence that long term thyroid supplementation will somehow damage your thyroid gland.
I'm going to stick this here for a while also, because it is an important point.
Give me few minutes to end your little rant though. Would you like me to post bloodwork also on here?
I know this fool was banned, but I don't want anyone reading this verbal vomit later and thinking it's correct.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/thyroid-medications
"Greer" and his work that thisguys cites repeatedly from the 1950's is largely disregarded in modern endocrinology, unsurprisingly 60 years down the line. Endos barely had anything to deal with thyrotoxicosis issues other than radio iodine until the mid 70's.
What would I know though eh?
Bloodwork? Absolutely. Post it. I'm not the site expert on thyroid, fortunately. But, we do have a PhD in molecular biology who also runs a laboratory for a pharmaceutical company that has also had a thyroidectomy that would be better able to digest the findings from the studies to which you are referring than I. I can certainly direct him to your post if you would like? I'm sure he would find this, well, fascinating. He is also a competitive bodybuilder as well, which is nice.
I do believe in receptor over saturation, and the lost effective potency within a compound. That would contribute to the "plateau", however not keeping in an excess of calories as you grow would also contribute to the stalemate in gains also. See, steroids in general have the power to increase nitrogen retention, therefore this increase in nitrogen retention, influxes the increase of protein abortion and protein preservation. You can only store so much protein, and if your muscles are growing they are going to need more protein to maintain and produce hypertrophy. I believe the biggest issues in producing gains, in both weight and muscle is the lack of conscious determined effort to keep a grasp on the overall calories. To hell with the marcos; right now; get those calories. When you start cutting, competing, etc; macros come into play; right now you're just getting big and strong, eat. I think your problem is a combination of both, you run tren every cycle, and or only getting so much from it. People forget; it's not all about the gear; the gear can only do so much, your job is to eat and push that weight.
hungrybear1226thanks for your advice I had read that it was not "possible" before but I had experienced it myself and know for sure it is true. The compound worked much better after I took my 2 month break. I just followed the clearing receptor guide that was stickied and took t3 anyway. Also read that some pros (nasser) added a small amount of t3 to keep the anabolic activity up.
You weighed 232 then leaned down to 282? Am I missing something here?
hungrybear1226was a typo it was 4 am
was supposed to be 228
lol... i noticed that 50lb in 2wks difference too but thought i would just sit back and watch.
You run tren with every cycle and you only took a two month break??? Please outline your cycle history, pct, etc.
This seems from what you wrote that you're either blasting and cruising or not cycling properly.
hungrybear1226I am blasting and cruising its hard to remember because I often do 8 week-10 week cycles only.
It's one or the other dude...
and that whole comment..
has just shaken any fundamental belief that I had in the possibility of you knowing what you're doing.. you said "tren" so I gave you the benefit of the doubt, now I'm like WTF?