Best compound to run alongside trt
So, I've done pretty extensive research and on this topic it seems to be all over the place when it comes to a solidified answer.
First, the trt is doctor prescribed. Just clarifying ahead of time.
Currently on: 200mg (100mg 2x a week), proviron, and starting back on 2ius of hgh and titrate up to 3-4ius the next month or two.
I'm torn between primo, eq, or either npp/deca.
Primo, although the more expensive out of the 4, is low side effect and can be ran at pretty low doses (I've seen 100mg a week) for very slow but sustainable long term gains.
Eq, I've heard the same, but I'm anxiety prone and am not sure if I want to roll the dice on it. However, I suppose at a low dose during trt would be the most sufficient time to see if I could tolerate it for a true cycle at some point in the future.
Npp/deca- the whole 19-nor thing is a worry of mine to be quite honest. I don't like complicating things (too much) and adding in caber/bromo (if needed at the low dosage) and worrying about prolactin/progesterone just isn't what I am looking to do right now. If it's more manageable at lower numbers, I'd be up to run it. However, I want to be all in when I do something and not skip over any minor detail/calculation (military will do that to ya lol).
Goals: faster recovery, sustainable lean muscle mass, collagen synthesis to help with old nagging injuries, etc
I'm in the process of cutting from 230 at 12% down to at least 9-10% before I initiate a clean bulk.
Diet: macros are dialed in, meal prep has been adjusted accordingly.
So after all that rambling, what have y'all had the most success with running alongside trt? Pros and cons of adding a compound during trt numbers rather than a "blast"/cycle.
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personally I dont like nandrolones while your on TRT dose. so I would count those out.
EQ low dose doesnt do enough for me in terms of ,muscle or conditioning. It will however def help keep you gains.
Primo is my choice for cruise. I have done it many times. I stay hard and lean, I gain a little muscle, I like the way I feel. I often blast at the end of my primo cruise with high dose primo and NPP with Tbol. I enjoy that very much.
Primo would be the best... expensive though.
what kmc said more test. test is best test is king
primo.
This is what I was leaning towards. In your experience, what was the best length to run, and at what dosage do you consider "complimentary" vs an actual cycle dose. I've seen anywhere from 100-200 ew, for 4-6 mo the minimum. Also, some cut there test down from 200mg to 100mg, and ran a 100/100mg split a week.
Which would you find most efficient?
Best to combine with TRT are ....fantastic training, tremendous diet, food, and rest.
RustyhookerCutting. Clean that diet and anavar. Simple and highly anabolic.
Whats your total test at 200?
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Nice low androgenic
Nice way to explore synergies
I absolutely agree.Anavar is great if you want to gain without all the estro sides.Great pumps and fat melting,with cardio of course.Just like you said keep it simple.
I'm getting new labs done next Friday, so I'll have a better idea then- not sure where my results are my doctor sent me from 6 months ago are.
I do know that my free test was low and shbg was slightly off, that changed once I started taking proviron though. However, I can't obviously back that up without the documentation so I'll have to wait until next Friday for new numbers.
Yeah my calories are dialed back to 2750, and macros at 240p 172c and 120f. Started that up Sunday. Want to get back down to 9-10% and do a lean bulk from there.
RustyhookerIm not fully sold on lean bulk. Its definitely fun bulking from a lean point though.
Most of your questions will be answered with tests coming back.
And whys that my man? What's your take on lean bulk and which method do you prefer using? That's why I love this forum, being able to not only learn but discuss ideas and the pros/cons of certain processes with one another
I would up test before I done anything else. If you wanted to cycle compounds I would recommend the eq since it has very few side effects and no bloat like deca. I wouldn't mess with it until you ran test at 500mg per week then eq at 600mg per week. Those levels have worked good for me in the past.
Only thing with eq is I'm a bit hesitant due to a previous experience (the only experience with it bc of the side effects)- however, we later found out that this certain lab was tied in with a few well known people that weren't being very forthright/honest about the gear. I had a pretty mild reaction of anxiety that lasted for a few days, a few days after my 3rd injection of the eq. So it leads me to believe it was most likely bunk, a reaction to the solvents used, or all the above. Eq shouldn't have presented symptoms that early on.
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Eq doesnt give me anxiety. But masteron has made me looney to where ive broken down doors and kicked in car windows. But i found all this out and know how to work with it now
Calories. Best way to make gains
I agree 110% with this- I should've been more detailed on goals. Looking for better recovery, I dig the collagen synthesis that deca/npp provides due to my nagging shoulder/knee injury that starts to flare up a bit the closer we get towards winter. So I decided to explore all the options and the pros/cons
I would do more test if anything. If you need more than test and 4ius ( your dosing not mine) of hgh then A.) Your stuff is bunk. Or B.) Something is wrong with diet or training or both. You would be amazed at what the body can do on 200mg test and 4iu of hgh.
I haven't started back with the growth yet, starting hopefully Friday at 2ius for a month and then totrate up accordingly.
And I agree, with proper nutrition and the synergy between test and hgh, gains are highly attainable and your body can have an amazing recomp.
like I said above, I def should have been clearer on what I was looking for. The collagen synthesis/recovery, etc that deca/npp are very appealing due to old injuries.
More test. PERIOD.