posted Wed, 02/12/2025 - 18:33
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WINSTROL PIP
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Hi there, forgive me if this topic is discussed too much but I just joined.
In the late 90s and Early 2000's, (yes makes me sound old)..Winstrol never had any PIP...NEVER!! It was top notch, best thing in world!!! What has changed? What can be used to mix with it to ease the excruciating pain that last for about a week? Is there anyway around this? More bacstatic water? B-12 shots? There must be a way....
Anybody have a protocol for injections? Would love to hear your advice.....this is INSANE PAIN!!
THANKS IN ADVANCE
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anvilFunny was just looking at place and it sells Winny in a mixed 20/80 oil and water.
MamaBiggzLol where you see that?
The problem it’s not “just the pip” even though it’s one the worst, but the potential infection you can get after pinning it daily. Those old Spanish Zambon stanozolol were gone. I mean Winstrol is 17a so regardless of administration so I think either oral or sublingual would do the job just fine with less overall stress . But I know some people that rather take the risk using it even during pre contest, I don’t know. If I had to inject I would use oily…and would rotate the points of pins IM.
MamaBiggzZambons no longer exist? What did they do so different than what's made these days?
The lab and the industry exist. But I don't know if they have the demand to manufacture stanozolol. This was a drug indicated for the treatment of hereditary angioedema, which causes episodes of swelling in the face, extremities, genitals, bowel wall, and throat. It has also been used to treat anemia and hereditary angioedema and for therapeutic use in recovery so over the years it’s was replaced for other
Med without the steroidal effect, so the original demand is over. The old ones were excellent, you never heard of pain after application and the results were excellent. But then counterfeits started to grow in Europe and other countries, and everything went wrong. I don't particularly have the illusion of finding a 100% original (original formulation). It may have the same composition as stano, but it probably won't be the same… due other stuff they squeeze in it.
MamaBiggzWhat if it was mixed with Test in same syringe? Do you think that would effect the winny?
I dont like the idea of mixing oil with water. Oil goes with oil.
"Oh, but I heard a story about a guy that did it, and its all good." - someone can say.
I don't take the risk.
Anything in water such as B12 shots or Test suspension mixes brilliantly with other oils in the barrel, I've done it for 10 years now and never had problems. In fact it makes the whole injection push through much easier in general because there is water in there too. Many a time I have done a red B12 shot in with Test and NPP. Shot Test suspension with them also. Sure it looks like a bit of a Lava lamp when its in the barrel but it works great.
I deleted the other answer, couldn't edit it, but I get it... It all makes sense now. You have a point, there are ways to reduce post injection pain with some degree of safety. I wasn’t aware of those. so that’s good to know. I was thinking, wow, 10 years of B12 + test suspension + NPP. This guy can't be human. lol I'll keep that in mind if I ever think about using this blend. Thanks.
LMAO I don't take them all together, I tried it first off putting Test susp in the barrel and found you could mix water based and oil together which saves the hassle of performing extra injections. Then about 5 years ago when I began using B12 Inj I would put those in also, I don't really do those anymore and just take it in tablet form.
@MamaBiggz @Pandateston I agree, injecting oil mixed with water to try to reduce water based winny pip is useless. Thing is winny is undissolved crystalline hormone that isn't water soluble so there will be crystals in water regardless. Those crystals remaining in muscle definitely contribute to pip. Pandateston you make a good point about bacteria being easier to grow in water than oil.
Yes, you're right! anyway...If the problem was just PIP, this would be heaven. The biggest problem is the possible infection after pip, we never know; we are almost everybody here taking UGL, stuff cooked somewhere else's basement; in what conditions, we dont know. so I think better safe than sorry, my point.
Like u said at the end of the day it's all underground. You made a good point to him. Nothing about this is pharmaceutical. Greg made a good and important point to u also below
Not a problem. Your goal isn't to blend oil and water.
Injected, oil and water disappear at different rates that's it, end of story. It's not like mentos in coke-a-cola.
I hope not. Just don't like to give it a try. Water-based stuff built in the backyard of someone else is more complicated than it seems to be, in my humble opinion. So, I would rather take stuff the way it was created. But it is just my 2 cents.
UGL products are always a risk be it oil or water. Mixing or not mixing doesn't change the risk.
I ran that winny and it stung. A lot. Pull out your dose and sublingual it. Or chase it with grapefruit juice.
Yes theres oilly winny few years now. I prefer tabs or sublingual the aq winny
Im with you brother, I’ll take a pill and that’s it, will avoid so much stress.
MamaBiggzI've done the subligual...but trying to avoid 2 passes thru liver and want the effect of the jab...winny so much better intramuscular..there has to be a work around...L-Carnitine , B-12 shots mixed....who the fuck knows. Lol...
Well couple things to look at is winstrol has pip. Blended or not because crystaline structure. Another idea is anything aq can catch microbes and cause grief. Infection etc. So find a top notch source. Oilly winstrol is heated and ba/bb added which keeps microbes at bay. Ive been told theres less pip and youre not needing a big 22 or 23 ga needle.
anvilWinstrol is 17-alpha-alkylated (17a) regardless of administration so that's why oral is much more common. So you aren't by passing anything.
anvilYou can try and let us know, if its 100mg cut it in half and mix another water base but as I stated in another post to you the water is metabolized faster than the drug and that causes the pain.
MamaBiggzIt's 50mg, so what should I cut it with?
anvilIn all honesty I don't think you can, since the issue it the drug is left after the water metabolizes.
Winstrol water’s PIP is always comparable to test suspension imo. Stuff isn’t pleasant to inject at all, but it shouldn’t be lasting forever or limiting workouts much.
If you continue to have pain switch to an oil based and I’m sure you’ll find it’s smoother.
I’m assuming you’re injecting IM.
Could it be that back then you had a different formulation?
MamaBiggzI didn't know they made an oil based...this is of course water based.....is the oil based, just as effective? I'd assume you can't shake up oil to disperse the solution like water base. Since it settles to the bottom before a shot
It is suspended in oil. No shaking just administer like normal oil based steroid and can mix with other oil based hormones in same barrel. Normally has a stronger solvent as it’s harder to get orals and no watered stuff to stay suspended. It is just as effective. Same thing as Testosterone suspension vs Testosterone no-ester. Water based vs. oil based.
EfficientPhysiologyJust an idea if it is in fact water based.
Water based stuff is more likely to contain bacteria. Could be a small amount of bacteria in it triggering an inflammatory response as your body fights it.
MamaBiggzNah we aren't talking about bacteria...every shot of it last 15 yrs is fucking painful...can't be every vile has bacteria...
anvilNo the water metabolizes fast leaving all of the drug and it may crystalize and that is causing the pain. Swap to the oil, I haven't had any PIP from it. It isn't bacteria I have brand new vials and the water based just is hassle and I would rather just take it orally.
MamaBiggzDo you get same results with oil vs water based?
anvilI would say yes but I was 25 years younger when using water based. I would just use the oral since it doesn't save you anything on the body.
Assuming you mean water based?
If so, nothing I’ve heard of but one or two guys may be able to chyme in here.
I’d switch the oil base
MamaBiggzWhere are those guys? Lol
@Big Tone36
Apparently I can’t tag the big fucker cuz he has a space in his name and idk how to use the syntax on this site despite being here 10+ years
MamaBiggzDamn we need him!!!