+ 1 First Cycle Test-E / TBol and a lot of questions...
Hey Guys,
I’m planning to do my very first cycle starting in March and wanted to hear your opinion as well as some help regarding some unanswered questions I have.
I decided to take the classic Test E at 500 mg per week for 16 weeks and also TBol, since some gym bros recommended it to me and based on the information in the wiki it’s a pretty solid compound without any magic effects on gaining as well as side effects. I’m more interested in the keepable endurance gains.
I got 200 x 10 mg in total, so I think I will take 50mg per day for a total of about six weeks. Since I’m cutting right now to start the cycle as lean as possible, I wanted to know if it’s also possible to start the cycle cutting for about a month and then switch over to bulking or is that a stupid idea? What max BF% do you recommend having to start? And when should I take the Tbol, some think it’s best to use it as a kick start and others suggest taking it in the end?
I also got (way to expensive) HCG to run during the whole cycle for 250 IU EOD. To my understanding that doesn’t just keep my balls alive, but also helps me should I ever crash my E2 accidentally, correct? Since I had to order multiple vials, I wanted to know, whether the max 60 days in the fridge until its starts to degrade only apply to the dissolved HGC or also the powder?
As an AI I chose Aromasin at 12.5mg twice a week which I would only take when I notice high E2 side effects. To my understanding I stop when the side effects subside, but how do I know when I should increase the dose? And under which circumstances would I also add Nolvadex during the cycle, only when I feel a gyno flare-up?
I know that’s a lot of questions, but in health-related topics I’d rather triple-check everything before I start anything, anyways thanks for your help 
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I just ran Test-E (300mg/week/10-weeks), Tbol (50mg/day/8-weeks), & HCG (500iU/week/10-weeks) as my first cycle so here's what I'll say:
1. Test-E will only reach peak concentration (of whatever your chosen dose) approximately at the end of week 3 and it's not going to be a cutting cycle, you will gain weight on supraphysiological testosterone, if you have higher bodyfat % you might aromatize more.
2. *(Edit: Nvm you meant Tbol) Why 50mg/day for the Enanthate ester? You'll do fine by 2x per week (Monday morning & Thursday evening).
3. 300-350mg/week Test, plus the Tbol, was enough to make substantial gains in the realm of 20lbs & ~30% increase of some lifts.
4. Tbol is best taken 1-2 hours before workout (can do the whole 50mg or split doses), ran it for 8 weeks with liver support (TUDCA, NAC, Liv.52) and had zero issues. It is basically a "super pre-workout" to my body, allows more explosiveness and stamina for long & intense workouts. If you want maximal effects from it, wait 2 weeks for Test levels to start building up before you start it, Tbol binds SHBG so it also increases free Test levels.
5. HCG 250iU x2 per week kept my nuts going perfectly fine, however it did increase aromatase activity for me which I controlled with 0.25mg Arimidex once per week, however aromatization is different for everyone so you have to gauge it yourself. I had zero gyno issues on this cycle as well as zero hair issues, but again you have to see what happens. The HCG lasted 10 weeks in the fridge no problem.
6. You probably won't need the Nolvadex until PCT if that's what you're planning on doing.
Anyways that's my friendly advice from someone who just did roughly what you're planning. I'm still new to all this of course but researched things carefully as well, open to any opposing opinions from those with more experience.
Thanks a ton, Its great to hear from somebody who has basically already done the same thing
What BF% did you start at?
I hope my expereince will be just as good as yours, but only time will tell, thanks for the advice!
Started roughly 13-15% after cutting down with Keto, ended about the same just bigger and had to drink more water to reduce water retention.
Best of luck!
He's meaning 50mg/day for the T-Bol bud, not the Test.
Ahh that makes more sense, thanks for pointing it out.
Baseline bloodwork first just to see where you're at. 500mg a week from the get go is probably going to give you some shitty sides. I would suggest titrate up to 500mg. Honestly you would be better off running less, especially for you first cycle. I totally get wanting to jump in and blast from the get go. Take it from someone who was young and dumb and did this exact thing. Start off lower for the first 2-4 weeks maybe 150-200mg. It takes about 4 or 5 weeks to get your test serum levels in your blood. Get bloodwork done around then. If everything is good, work your way up to 250mg a week. Your body will thank you for taking it slow.
It seems like there are really two groups out there the ones who say "500mg is way to much" and the ones who say "If you shut down your body then you should at least get some kind of benefit". It's really hard to decide what to do. I agree as first looking how you're dealing with side-effects etc. will help a ton and also how you're able to handle E2, because in the end you also don't want to blast AI all the time...
There are many factors why running 500mg for some give them no issues while others are plagued with sides. It's an individual response thing. That's why I recommend starting lower and work your way up. I had a buddy who started high with test and had bad E2 sides and started to develop gyno. While I can run the same amount he did and didn't have the response he did. Do a little more research and in the meantime get a baseline. That way you can dial yourself in beforehand. Maybe drop a few pounds if needed to lower the chance of getting sides. Running just test for the first cycle is a great start. I totally get it man, a lot of us do. I've done some experiments on myself over the years trying different ways just to see what works best for me.
Living4ThePumpThe „typical“ 500mg per week is totally nonsense for the most people. How much you REALLY need so so much lower than people think for your first cycle.
Get your natural bloods before and see where you at. If you’re on the low end even 200-250mg per week will yield great results.
500mg will most likely be overshoot and E2 will skyrocket. I would never advise an AI, you can go without if you keep your Test moderate and stack intelligently with other stuff like primo etc.
I will definetly get my blood works before the cycle, six weeks in and after PCT, and depending on that decide on the final test dose.
I would advise running 500mg Test E per week (split into 2 injections) for 12 weeks for your first time and not 16 weeks. Leave the T-Bol out so you can see how you respond to and tolerate the Test first, orals are not advised on the first cycle. HCG may be a little overkill for a small cycle but you can still run it if you want, personally I would save it for further down the line when running compounds that cause quite harsh shutdown for long periods afterwards.
first of all, thank you for your reply
I probably phrased that incorrectly, I meant 16 weeks in total with PCT, so twelve weeks of test ;)
And since the money isn't really the problem I would rather be safe with the HCG and take it. And regarding the Tbol, I could also just start with test only and only run it the last month or so, depending on whether I can handle the Test, right?
Aah no worries bud! Yes when stating cycle length just state the time on steroids rather than including PCT time also as it ends up looking much too long lol I would leave the T-bol out full stop and just concentrate on making the most of the testosterone first time round, just so you are aware T-Bol is really just a mild strength peaking steroid which adds virtually no bodyweight at the same time. Is this what you were after or is it what someone told you to take?
Since I'm also doing a lot of Badminton with is mixed Strength/Endurance I hope to get more "athletic" muscles then pure size. That's why I thought TBol might be an interesting choice. But I will make up my mind about it.