posted Mon, 10/21/2024 - 09:11
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TRT not doing much?
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24m been natty forever, hopped on TRT 6 weeks ago because of low T (was like 350, but prior have been 280)
I definitely feel better, 100% thats for sure. but I dont feel like superman lol. Also still not as horny as i thought id be. Doc prescribed 120, I didnt feel shit at 120 so I upped to 150/week.
In terms of physique, it for sure looks more full in the shoulders chest arms, but not what I'd have thought. Do the physique changes come later?
Currently pin 25 units (50mg) M, W, F.
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6 weeks?! Brother, you've barely reached a stable level at this point. Arguably if you upped it to 150 you're not even at the serum concentration yet. Patience. The gains will come.
the test is just getting stable in your blood at 6 weeks with C. and sorry to tell you but steroids do not put the work in for you and workout thoroughly and eat the food for you also. all steroids do is make your body heal faster, its up to you to workout and eat. and what did you expect from taking 120-150mg of test c for 6 weeks?
Doc prescribed and upped dose on your 'feelings'. So its not a dr but a clinic. So your need is real blood work and body stats. And 350 isnt low....theres more to results than a dose.
Ive been in the 200's before, the 300 is when every single thing is optimized which is just impractical. I'm also 24 years old. And additinally it was not just the number they were treating, I legit have ED and no arousal etc.
And missed the blood testing, bf, stress, deficiencies, lack of cardio that all can keep you in that stagnation. Good day sir
anvilThat's because the eating. diet, training and hard work do not go in the syringe my friend. That is on you.
i should have clarified because I may be exaggerating. I am for sure seeing new results on TRT. without a doubt. its just not as pronounced as I thought it would be. I still am tired/have recovery issues with low training volume which is surprising.
anvilYeah you shouldn't be, unless the nutritional needs aren't being met. Trt would only take you to where you were as a younger person. Only super physiological levels will bring you above your own ability to recover.
im willing to bet hes doing it subq also so hes probably not absorbing alot of it.
Wrong, not subq. I pin deltoid and rear delt.
well thats good to hear. you also might have to get some of your free test freed up. cuz if your reg test is high and free test is still low you will not feel how you should. but to be honest it sounds like you dont have a doctor and are just doing it yourself. i could care less if you have a dr or not but your doc should be doing bloodwork to see how its affecting you.
Thank you for the advice broham. Good looks.
I am doing this through online HRT clinic,
I just emailed them and I am going in for follow up bloods in a week or two. Whenever I schedule it.
Any advice for an accurate pull? Don’t train the day before or something? Or eat lots of chicken/ no steam, so my RBC isn’t super high ?
just continue to do exactly what you have been doing so you get an accurate test results. look if you need more, you need more, but dont expect to feel like your on tren from trt. like they will probably go up to like 250mg weekly. but give it some time also. do the bloodwork see your results. who knows, your estrogen could just be low and thats why you dont feel like you thought you would. estrogen is responsible for sex drive and tht kinda stuff, and without proper estrogen you will not make good gains either.
Also, unrelated question, how many grams of sugar should I be having per day?
I try to eat healthy, optimize labs etc. I realized that I’m at 200g sugar total (500g carbohydrates, 200g of that is sugar) in my fitness pal.
Most of it comes from my pre and post workout meals
Pre workout meal is oatmeal with some granola and maple syrup , Rice Krispies
Post workout is dried dates and sushi, maybe a sweet treat like a cinnamon roll
while protein shakes are a good meal replacement, you still do need some real food and carbs in your diet. i cant really give you an accurate statement as far as how many g of sugar daily is good as ive never dove too far into the proper daily nutritions besides like protein grams and carbs( if trying to bulk). alot of people will tell you differently than this, but i just try and keep it somewhat balenced, i have my oatmeal everyday and thats the only straight sugar meals that i have as of now but like i said i used to have a honey bun besides my oatmeal as far as sugar meals but always made sure to still get my rice+protein(chicken,beef, turkey) and protein shakes. in my opinion as long as you dont have health issues or weight problems a person can have a balenced diet with some sugar(cheat meals) in it. unless your like a proffessional trying to look good on stage i dont see why you should torture yourself and only eat plain rice and chciken and plain oatmeal. and as far as peoples opinion on using sugar free things, those fake sugars are so bad for you. the only reason you should use those fake sugars if you are diabetic. but alot of people will disagree with me.
You an OG. You know what you're talking about. Yeah that ester takes up about 30 percent. And I'm sure u remember a guy awhile back doing his whole cycle sub q. Crazy man
just by going off his age thats why im betting hes doing it subq, all these young kids very scared of pins. yeah test c is already weird enough and then your doing it subq which makes it sven worse. theres been so many of these newer member doing everything subq, and yes i remember it perfectly. he was doing a cycle of different compounds all subq haha
Yep that was that guy. New age of thinking I guess. No way in hell I'm doing that for a whole cycle. If scared of IM inj then no need to even bother lol. Now trt I could possibly see that being done, some say their levels are comparable to IM but I dunno bout that.
yeah i think ive seen some people post subq bloodwork and it is comparable in some cases. it depends on the person also, some absorb good subq and ive seen others that dont. i have tried test c a few shots subq while crusing but i didnt like how it leaves a ball there for days. but what i was doing when i was running inject yk11, i would do 1 IM shot early in the day and then would so a subq shot late in the day cuz no ester with sarms but sarm oils are usually way thinner and you only have to so a very small amount of yk oil so it was no ball at all under my skin really and dissapated way faster.
Yeah I remember seeing a guy post his bloodwork after doing a sub q cycle. It was strange. His test numbers weren't bad either
yeah i think it also depends if they are doing a true subq or if they are like giving themselves a TB test where they are only going thru the very first skin layer amd not even deep enough to be subq
anvilTest Cypionate after ester is absorbed is like 70mg per 100mg dosed. So it was lower than you even think. I am pretty sure the medical study Kurt Heavens is conducting will stop most everyone from choosing Test C for anything other than straight up TRT.
yeah im waiting for it also. i like test e better but my body rejects it. get horrible lumps after every injection so im forced to use test C
Does your body dislike all enanthate compounds? Or is it strictly Test E
well the only other enanthate thing i have ran is primo e and have no problems besides certain sources that everybody else also had pip issues with also. ive only ran short esters besides the primo and dhb. and ive tried test e from diff sources so it wasnt just the sources test e
I train with very low volume and can still have recovery issues if I don't pay proper attention to getting enough protein in me, thats on cycle too. I can always get adequate sleep in but if I get lazy on nutrition I will still be a little sore next training session.
I will give you some protein...
AK80You need to eat more food (Stan Efferding's Vertical Diet) and do more reps and sets in the gym. If you did that AND did 400mg of testosterone per week you'd 100% see dramatic changes very quickly. Just focus on the diet and training for now though. As long as your testosterone blood levels are above 600 you'll put on some more size. Good idea on the M-W-F pinning. I do that too.
i disagree with the "more reps and sets in the gym" thats such blanket advice to increase the volume - what if i was already on a high volume training model
Well you say it’s not working. So what we your doing isn’t enough, so if your already doing high volume then add weight. It’s one or the other. Really quite simple. And the advice he gave will help 90% of the guys in your situation, most aren’t doing enough
Ahh you were mislead by the claims on social media about gear. They don’t make THAT drastic of a difference in feeling. I’ve never had that “on” feeling people tout either. I personally would equate that to a negative side effect. If you’re doing it properly, you shouldn’t feel anything. It’s doing all its work in the background.
Even on cycles I’ve not had those crazy mental changes or massive libido increases where I’d fuck trannies. But I also preach more frequent injections of lower doses for better serum stability. Works for me. YMMV
150mg Test per week isn't going to be physique changing mate, its just designed to put you where you should be at as a normal male. Physique changing amounts come in the form of proper cycles and hitting the weights hard, eating right etc. Plus you have only been on it for 6 weeks, it takes 2 to 3 weeks for the levels to build fully if you are on Cypionate. Do you know where your current Test levels are at the moment?
Cypionate. I don't know what current test levels are - I am getting my 3 month labs in about a month and I should know.
I do hit the weights hard and eat perfect, track everything, push carbs, etc. My physique is solid I was just under the impression that TRT would give an enhancement. I'll see what my test levels are in a month. I may be only 700 or so, and if thats the case then Ill prob get bumped up in dosage.
Would it be a bad idea to buy a vial of UGL test and then do a short 6 week or 8 week cycle of like 300 test, then after the 6/8 weeks just resume normally at my 150 prescribed dose?
No on additional test at this time as well. Again. Patience. Get your bloodwork done, know what your levels are at, how much you are converting to estrogen, dht, etc. Those number will guide you on next steps and if you need to mitigate estrogen. This is coming from a place of love when I say this but you need to do some research on these topics. There's a wealth of information on this site and on youtube. You said you've got your diet dialed, I respect that brother. Food, sleep and training are the key. Gear is the cherry on top, the accelerator.
I've never done prescribed TRT before so not quite sure how it works with timing and making sure your bloodwork is okay, so that the Dr carries on giving you the testosterone - but just make sure you don't bump them up too much and then the Doc see's this and thinks there is no longer any need for you to be on it. I think getting it prescribed over there is different to the UK though. You have to ultimately pay for it if you want it don't you? Here its viewed as a free service they are helping you with.