Test Only First Cycle
Hey guys just looking for some advice. First I’ll start of with my current stats.
Age:40
Height: 5’9
Weight: 182
BF: Unsure but if I had to guess maybe anywhere 15-20?
A little background, I’ve been training for the last 1yr 7 months. Started at 157 lbs, I then bulked but got kinda fat to 201lbs, and I’ve been cutting for the last 4 months. I’m down to 182lb. I started trt due to having low test which was at 245. I’ve now been on trt for the last 7 months now at 160mg weekly and pinning m/w/f.
I recently did my labs because I’d like to start my first cycle with test only to bulk more to gain some mass. I’ve been doing my research and I’ve seen many suggesting a first cycle of 500mg. With my lab results with total t being 1331, free t 394 and E2 at 104. So my question is would it be wise to start a bit lower than 500mg. I’m just a bit worried about my E2. I currently don’t have any gyno symptoms at that level. And I actually feel great. And I do keep anastrozole in hand just in case of a flare up.
Also for additional information, cbc, lipids, and Cmp panel all checks out green except for ldl being a little high at 110.
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Okay, so to clarify, your currently on 160mg test now and want to bump up to 300-500mg of test.
The shown lab work is from your 160mg TRT dose.
All the advice below about bringing down your e2 is spot on. Go low and slow as to not crash your e2. It looks like you have high aromatization of test and will want something to control e2, especially when you bump up your test dose.
Good luck bro!
You said you are on TRT, is this self TRT or by a doctor? Your test levels are already above normal and that is not TRT. If you go to higher Test your estrogen is just going to go up. So if I were you I would take .5mg of anastrozole. Your estrogen is already too high and you need to knock it down some before you start to develop symptoms.
If you take 500mg of Test you will probably need to take .5mg of anastrozole at least once a week.
If you start to get sensitive nipples or a lump in the breast, you need to get some nolvadex or raloxifene. I would have some on hand just in case.
This is through a trt clinic which I’ve been on for the last 7 months at the same dosage of 160mg. The only reason why I haven’t taken any AI is because the clinic said even with the high Estradiol if I don’t have symptoms is to not take it. Would you suggest .25mg twice weekly and recheck levels in 2 weeks?
Yes I would recommend that, I have no idea why they tell you not to worry about it. High estrogen can cause gyno in men, it's bad for your prostate, and can cause water retention. You might not have symptoms now but eventually you will. If gyno sets in its permanent and the only way to get rid of it is by surgery. That is why it's best to prevent it in the first place.
Thanks for the advice. So what I’m getting at is use nolvadex for gyno symptoms like sensitive nipples or lump and anastrozole to lower my E2? I definitely don’t want to run into that issue of getting surgery lol. Also would it be wise to start lower than 500mg given my lab results?
Yes sir, Nolvadex is a SARM and Anastrozole is a Ai. Nolvadex will block estrogen in breast tissue and not effect elsewhere.
Anastrozole blocks estrogen body wide by blocking the aromatase enzyme in fat that converts androgens like Test into E2. You have to be careful with it because it can crash your estrogen and then that causes issues as well.
When building muscle its good to have estrogen a little elevated just because that helps build muscle through protein synthesis but its not good to have it high. So if you can keep your estrogen level towards the high end of normal range, that is perfect.
You could try 300mg of test to start and then after a few weeks do some blood work and see how it's going.
This is what I would Reccomend and if you can dial the e2 in and want to go to 500 than go for it in the final push of your cycle. I’m actually planning to up my test once I get my labs back and make sure my e2 is down.
Yes I’ll definitely start at 300mg, I wanted to start 500mg but after seeing my estradiol that’s when I started to question if it’s wise. It’s just that I see many suggesting a 500mg test cycle. But I guess everyone is different on how they react to test.
Thanks that’s really great information. I’ll start with the anastrozole and put in an order for nolvadex. Just trying to get all the info and preventative items before going on a test cycle. And I definitely want to get my estradiol in check first before then.
One last thing, you will need some HCG or Clomid if you do not want your balls to shrink and want them to still work properly during cycle. If you choose Clomid you will have to take it basically every day, I recommend HCG, 250icu twice a week to start and if more is needed then adjust up from there
Will do, glad you mentioned that. Adding it to my cart now, I’ll place an order for several of the items for future cycles and a few other things I’d like to try in the future. Shipping just adds up getting an item here and there lol.
Shipping should be a flat rate unless your ordering domestic and international and from different brand warehouses all depends on the source you are using
The Docs at these clinics are like Doc in a box people. They just write scripts all day and follow the limited knowledge from limited human studies. You got these guys still injecting dudes once every 7-10 days. The shit is ludicrous.
Yeah I noticed that when I do my appointments with them. They typically try to make it quick and read from their computer screens like they’re reading a script they follow lol.
Yeah that shit needs to change and they need to be more educated up to date on this stuff. A lot of guys on here would make better TRT Doctors than these clinics.
Just to give you my opinion from another first time test user. I started my cycle at 300 mg of test pinning every day and my e2 was the same as yours 105 after 5 weeks. If I had the same same labs on 160 mg of test I would be terrified to go straight to 500mg. As you go up on your test you are going to have to figure out how to dial the e2 back with an AI of some sort or you will get the high e2 symptoms eventually.
Even if you don’t have any high estro symptoms now it doesn’t mean they won’t manifest if you leave estro that high.
Thanks for the advice, i may start lower than 500mg. Seeing the high e2 definitely had me a bit worried. I didn’t really think nothing of it when I first got on trt because the clinic told me if I don’t have symptoms that I shouldn’t take any AI.