First **Real** Cycle
Hey All,
First time post here, so be kind lol.
I’m looking into running my first REAL cycle. I’ve been on TRT for a while. I was on 150mg test C for about 6 months. A few times I ran anavar for 8 weeks (first time at 25mg/day, 2nd round was at 50mg/day). My wife and I decided that we want to try for a 2nd child, so now I’ve been on enclomiphene rather than test C injections. I’ve been doing that for about 9 months now.
I respond pretty well to enclomiphene. It took about 3 weeks before the family jewels came back lol. But by my first 3 month check up and ever since, my test level has been consistently in the 700-800 range, and LH hovering around 4.1-4.5.
My TRT Dr. said that if I wanted to, I could go to 6 month checkups rather than 3 month. So naturally my first thought was, once my wife is finally pregnant and safely far enough along in the pregnancy, I could start running cycles for a few months, then go back to enclomiphene for 2-3 months before getting my bloodwork done so that everything looks good on my bloodwork.
I’m 33yo, 5’11”, and currently around 212lbs and 26% bf. I’ve used wegovy in the past (before insurance stopped covering it) and dropped from 257lbs to 182lbs.
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After reading everyone's feedback, I will be cutting out the cutstack that included tren/mast/test p. Instead, I'll be going with the following:
- Test (Cyp or Propionate, have not decided yet) - 400-500mg /week
- Reta 2-4mg/day, starting at a lower dose and working my way up to 4mg (I've used wegovy in the past and it took me about 3 months to go from 0.25 up to 1.7mg)
- GH (I am still looking into this and would like some feedback. From what I've been reading, natural levels bounce back pretty quick and there's no real need for PCT?)
- I have a prescription for enclomiphene, so I plan on using that as my PCT.
- Planning on running this for 8-12 weeks but open to suggestions.
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I still have some anavar sitting around, but was not sure about adding that into this cycle, largely because I’ve read that it basically becomes useless once your bodyfat is as high as mine, so I don’t want to waste it.
I’m curious what people’s thoughts are on this plan. Again, first post and first “real” cycle, so I’m open to suggestions. I understand I probably sound really inexperienced, and I fully anticipate the “if you don’t know, you shouldn’t be running anything” or “if you want to cut, just diet correctly” type comments, but any helpful feedback is appreciated.
My main goals are:
- lower bodyfat
- get bloodwork back to “normal” after a cycle, knowing my TRT checkups are every 6 months
- Obviously building muscle is always a goal, but i'm mostly interested in getting my bodyfat down before trying to build.
What are your thoughts?
Any suggestions?
Thanks for taking the time to read this, and I appreciate the feedback.
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Posting an update for anyone still following this…
Since we’re still working on getting pregnant, I can’t take test at this time. In the meantime, I’ll be taking GH as well as tirzepatide, and continuing my enclomiphene.
I went with tirzepatide instead of reta for 2 reasons. 1, my wife also would like to lean out some, and that’s what she felt most comfortable with since reta is still in trials. 2, I figure tirzepatide is closer to wegovy than reta is since it’s only a dual agonist rather than a tri agonist, and I’ve already taken wegovy before.
For GH I’ll be starting at 2iu/day, then increasing to 3iu at the 2 week mark, and then to 4iu 2 weeks after that.
Carry on with trt dose and add in some Reta. Get your diet and training on point until your bf% is at or under 15%. Once this is done along with having your child then look at running a blast cycle.
Agreed. Getting very lean first on TRT dose levels should always be the first step of a cycle. It's commonly overlooked and underrated
Sounds good man, thanks for the input.
if you never ran tren or mast before. i would start with test only for about 6 weeks to get the feeling and adjusted to sides. Then add in 1 compound at a time for at least 4 weeks with the longer esters to again see what sides present. After you've done that with what you want to run, you can run those all in the beginning next time. if you start all 3 at once with no experience, you're not going to know which to stop if sides present themselves. just my opinion.
Great points! Thank you for the input. I gotta remember to slow down I guess. I’ve run 200mg of test with 50mg anavar for 8 weeks (and another time with only 25mg var) and got the idea that I’d be fine jumping into something stronger. Thanks for pointing out to slow down.
Solid post, nice taking the time to write it out. Personally (do what you want) I would NOT touch Tren for first cycle, or at 26% bodyfat.
This is what I’d do (not health advice, I’m retarded like everyone else)
I’d do a straight test cycle for some gains, good pumps, aggressive workouts etc. hard to say dose, but mabe 400-500mg depending on how you aromatize.
Id up the reta to around 4-5mg. You need to be in a deficit and lose that body fat. Reta can get you there on a good diet.
I’d add in GH early on probably 3-4iu daily.
I’d find a good supplement stack for your lipids, heart, etc.
I’d do cardio 5-7 days a week fasted not including your lifts.
I wouldn’t touch gh secretogue peptides, gh is the shit. But do what you want on those.
Focus on your fat loss man, too many dudes jump into full on cycles with way too much fat on them to see any sort of solid results. Get down to ~15-17% and you can start thinking of adding in the fun stuff. Masteron won’t do shit at anything above ~15 probably even lower.
You’ll find my advice is similar to some of the guys below. I’m huge on fat loss before building. You don’t need anything fancy man, test, GH,reta, and hard work brother.
Once again, I’m not advising just telling you what I’d do. Great write up and keep us updated with what your plan is next!
Thanks for taking the time to read all of that and give detailed feedback for everything. I think I was caught up in seeing so many people talk about how tren is so great for cutting, but it seems the common feedback is to not touch it. Or at least not yet.
My main reason for the mast was so I could run 400-500 test and not worry about the aromatization. Being higher BF I do tend to aromatize a decent amount. When I was doing 200mg test C my estradiol came back around 130 and I was definitely retaining water.
My thoughts on the GH peptides was mostly because I have not done nearly enough research on straight GH and did not want to kill my own production, or know how long to run it for. I will read up on that more, as you’re the 2nd person to give feedback on not doing the peptides and going for the real GH instead.
Based on the feedback I think I will probably just go with Reta, 400-500mg test, and see how that goes.
Thanks again!
For sure dude!
GH only shuts off natural production for a limited time (talking days if that), it’s not like anabolics. You don’t NEED GH, it’s a fun luxury that 99.9% of people choose to dabble in with gear…it magnifies most effects I’ve found.
For aromatization- mast will not lower your e2, it’ll mask your e2 symptoms. PRIMO will lower your e2. This is something you can do at a low dose as an ai. You probably won’t find any substantial gains from a ai dose standpoint, nor at 26% bf, but it’s a tool that can be used pretty efficiently.
Lean in on that reta man, shit works wonders. I’ve been using it for 6 months now. I’ll probably never come off. Got me down from 15% bodyfat coming off a bulk to a 11.7% (DEXA scan) bodyfat level in a recomp with my cals still around 2800 daily in 3 months.
Take the next couple of months and grind that body fat down, and the next blast will be even more fun I promise.
I was actually going to message you about the GH earlier. I had read exactly what you said about short turn-around time on natural production, so I’m glad you confirmed that.
I’ll look into primo as well. Thanks for that!
And yeah, for now I’ll just focus on the dieting, reta and test as you and few others mentioned. That’s kinda why I made the account and posted here. Being up at my BF it seems like there’s a lot of stuff that would be wasted on me until I drop some fat. Which sucks, but I guess it’s the way it has to be.
Thanks again for the input. You’ve been really helpful.
For sure brother man- enjoy the journey!
That is 100% what you should do to start.
I’m also not sure why you would do test c, test p, and Sust at the same time. Did I miss read that?
So my thought was that the cut stack was only going to give me 105mg test per week, so I wanted test c in there as a weekly thing just to keep levels relatively smooth. The sust was because I figured if I was doing daily or EOD for the cut stack anyway, may as well go with sust rather than just making all of the test come from cyp. I know the only real difference is the half-life, but I figured a more immediate response would be better. Pardon the ignorance in that statement. Still very much a beginner for sure.
As I said in other replies, I think I’m going to take other people’s advice and keep it simple for now and just go with test C and Reta.
Thanks for the reply!
Sust is 4 test esters combined. Personally, I think Sust sounds like something worth trying and I do want to try it at some point.
You also don’t want to over complicate your cycle. With the multiple half life’s thing could get tricky. Just getting test p for daily pins is a good idea. That was and is used for daily pins.
And I agree with the other suggestions, get really GH replacement and not a boosting peptide.
Probably sounds like a dumb question, but is there any benefit to doing test p daily vs test c weekly other than a more immediate onset?
And i've been reading up on GH last night and this morning and definitely think that is the way i'd like to go. I'll be upating my original post.
Well, in general more frequent pinning means more stable serum levels, ie it’s less likely to peak hard and cause sides.
I’m doing test c TRT and I’ve been pinning twice a week per the clinic’s request (Monday and Thursday) However, I have a stash of syringes and thought about pinning (M/W/F) more more stable serum levels.
So long story short, test p requires daily pins, test c can be done twice to 3x a week. Less frequent pinning is viewed as a convenience.
Gotcha, sounds good! My TRT clinic had me doing 1x per week, so I just assumed that was the standard for test c. Thanks for the info.
I pin test c daily on my blast. Long ester but daily catches up to that of test p (shorter ester) and gives you an almost perfect serum level across the board.
Think about it this way, test p is using what you put in TODAY, but test c uses what you put in 4-5 days ago…but each have their own peak and trough. You can get a near identical peak and trough between any ester with daily pins. It is the most accurate, best for your body, and easiest way to mitigate some sides. Some may disagree and figure “well if it’s a long ester, pin 2x or 3x a week”. That still comes with a larger peak and trough than daily once you build serum level.
100%, daily pins is best if you’re able to do that.
Also confirm if your a real person or a kits4less bot lmao
Hahaha k4l bot test
lol I didn’t understand that comment until I started scrolling yesterday and saw it’s apparently a big thing right now. Bad time to be a newbie I guess. But nope, not a bot lol. Just super inexperienced and looking for advice.
Lmao yes, I am a real person, just a newbie. Just looking for advice, that’s all.
In all seriousness, I see so many people say just run test, and then other people saying all these complicated stacks. So I’m just trying to get some good advice. Thanks man.
Test is best. Just add extra shit in if needed. I wouldn't fuck with tren just yet if it was me. But everyone's different there is no secret holy grail steroid stack. It doesn't have to be complicated either but I'm not your dad your welcome to do what ever makes you happy bro
Appreciate the feedback man. That seems to be the overall consensus that people are saying so far, so I think I’ll cut that out. Thanks again!
Stick some test up your ass and carry on son.
Thank you ^
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lol like I said, newbie for sure. Everyone’s gotta start somewhere.
TRT levels of test + GH + Reta will get you as lean as you could ever want to be.
My last cut was 10 weeks at ~175mg test/wk, 5IU GH per night, and 10mg Reta per week had me at 6.9% bf. Started at ~230 and ended at 201.
10MG Reta a week?
Yup. When multi-dosed throughout the week (I.e. ED injects) it acts completely different than the single bolus dose type administration. It pushed my BMR up to ~3,000 cals according to the BMR test I took with my dexa scan. Where they measure your co2 output when laying down at complete rest.
I know when I used wegovy it was just the preloaded pens, so I didn’t have the option to split the dose up. Any suggestions on how to split reta if starting at a lower dose rather than 10? I was planning on starting at 1mg/week and working up to 4mg, but that was just for single dose per week.
Oh definitely don’t start at 10 lol. Unless you like being sick. I titrated up from 3mg a week. 1mg MWF was my starting point. Eventually worked up to 1mg ED. Then I went to putting 0.7 ml in a 10mg vial and did 0.1 ml ED with a 0.3cc 31g insulin pin
Right on man, great info. Lol damn now I’m excited to start after all the replies here!
I second this...
cut to near 12% bodyfat or lower with just trt reta and GH, then when you're ready to build the muscle just up the test and calories.
I think that is the way I am going to go, after reading everyone’s feedback saying similar things. I definitely need to read up on GH first though.
Hgh takes a long time and will cost a fair bit but definitely worth it. Expect to see some results after 3 months and real results after 6. Titrate up to 6iu starting at 2iu.
That’s all I’ve been reading about for the past 2 days lol. Thanks for the recommendation on dosing. Would this have any impact on my TRT bloodwork to make it look out of the ordinary? Would there be any benefit to only running for 16 weeks and then taking 2 months off?
No it won’t affect your trt bloodwork. There is no benefit to running hgh for 16 weeks then taking 8 weeks off. I run it year round, lower dose on cruise and high dose on blast.
Hell yeah, that’s awesome.
Thank you for the feedback! Yeah I might just cut the tren out. Still might keep mast, and run 400 test. What was your experience with Reta like? And rather than taking GH, have you had experience with peptides? I’d rather boost my own levels rather than take GH and suppress my own production.
I love Reta. I take it all year. When I bulk I drop down to ~2mg a week split MWF.
Never tried the GH secretogue peptides. Went straight to the real deal and have never looked back. I buy ~3,000IU at a time during the winter and stash it all in my fridge. Already suppressing my hormones by taking test…what’s one more pathway suppressed? lol shit I even suppress my thyroid sometimes by cycling T3 deep in my cuts
lol yeah I guess that’s a good point. Fair enough. Glad to hear that about Reta too!
Tren at all in a first cycle is retarted imo but do what you want. Just take 500mg test and if u want add in Reta/Gh or any other peptides. Absolutely no reason to do anything other than test for a first cycle. You eat decent and train hard you will see massive results first time in
+1 for this.
Thank you for the feedback. Yeah I didn’t want to run some heavy dose, or at all really, until I started looking into minimum effective dose of microdosing. But even then, it just seems kinda extreme and I’m not sure I want to take that leap. What about running just Masteron, test, reta, and maybe Tesamorelin w/ ipamorelin?
Yes that is fine, mast will calm down any possible bloating and free up more test. While anabolic, it isn’t extreme and side effect friendly relatively. You need to get a feel before tren, trust me. You won’t even know what’s doing what. A decent test cycle, once you hit the 4-6 week mark and never ran a real cycle, should hit very very well
Right on man, thanks again for the info. Someone else mentioned primo, so that’s something I’ll look into in the future. Glad to have a community that provides good advice. Or at least a good laugh with some of the comments lol