First Cycle Test Only & High E2 levels
Just started my first 16 week test only cycle. Before hand got a baseline blood work and T measured at 358. Ive been a natural lifter for 2 years and recently have had thoughts that i’ve reached my full potential due to how I felt overall. I sleep 8 hours daily and have a well rounded diet with high protein daily.
Cycle started out test e only at 300mg a week.
150mg on Monday and Thursday mornings.
No noticeable side effects other than a definite increase in strength, slight water retention, nipples get sensitive every now and then (comes and goes), sleeping great, appetite is great, slight oily skin, and slight to no acne increase (already had a few pimples on shoulders).
Got Bloods at week 6 two days after my pin on that Monday.
Total test is now 1284. Attached pictures of blood work.
My estrogen is 61, i have aromasin on hand but scared of crashing my E2, i feel great just wanting some advice on how I should approach to lower my estrogen. Is 61 too high even tho i feel great?
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Aromasin cannot crash your estro. It can go low but not crashed. Start it up and its fast stuff. Hardon should be back fast.
Being at the six week mark you are running at peak saturation levels. Estro shouldn't climb anymoe since it should balanced out by now so could just probably ride it as is to end of cycle if nothing is bothering you. Also 12.5mg of aromasin EOD will not crash your estro and probably bring it down to a normal range if concerned about that.
So update, past 3 days ive been increasing feeling worse and worse. No nipple problems but zero sex drive, cant really get hard, lethargic, bitchy/moody, my balls just feel smooshy, and a wave of depression. I started taking 12.5mg of aromasin eod, started today. Would my prolactin have an effect on my libido/ability to get hard? Would I need to worry about my prolactin on a small cycle of 300mg of t a week
Shouldn't have prolactin issues with test only cycle. Asin should correct it fairly quickly since most logical conclusion right now is high estro.
So took 12.5 asin on 1/30 and again 2/1 today, i feel even worse today. anxiety through the roof, body drained of energy, sleep is eh. Could those 2 doses have crashed my estrogen that fast?
Impossible. I would stick with 12.5mg for a week so and get bloodwork after that if possible. I would even go 12.5mg ED for a at least a few days to get that estro back in range. EOD may be just keeping it from rising more but not really putting much of a dent in total levels.
sele137After years of testosterone injections, I still have occasions where nipples will itch.
The problem is when it lasts every day and the pain is VERY strong after the slightest touch of the nipple.
Apart from this, you don't see or feel any negative effects, so I don't see any reason to change anything.
If you really want, you can try a supplement like diindolylmethane (DIM).
Nipple pain, alittle burn or stinging feeling is the very first sign of gyno begining, in my experience.
There's common aromison protocols in the search menu here on eroids.
Mine will get itchy
E2 is different for everyone. If your high e2 symptoms are random, I would hold off. I’ve crashed my e2 before, and it sucked.
I usually pop an adex when my nipps get spicy. I’m one of those high converter types. When I ran eq at 250 a week along with 300 test I barely had spicy nipps. The eq made me a bit more aggressive but other than that the gains were clean and kept majority of it after finishing the cycle.
.25e3d of adex. Or 6.25 ed aromasin and you can retest in 2 weeks to see how its effecting you. A low dose cycle with estro where youre at imo aromasin is too strong. Adex is better in your arena. I prefer aromasin but match the chem to the cause.
If you start adex and bloods put yo 40-50 great! Run it til end of 1st week pct. To avoid rebound as estrogen too has a half life.
I love the lower dosages so good for you as a noobie. I prefer my estro to be around 40 or 50ish. I can't speak on ais because I never used one but I have crashed my estrogen and that's something you don't want to do. I felt like trash. Others can give you info on ai use.
if im not having any sides at around 61 would it hinder me to continue on this cycle without the use of an ai? if i keep it at 300mg will my e2 levels continue to rise?
We all are different
Exactly this
If it were a one shoe size fit approach then we all would be good and things would be alot easier to figure out. We wear different size shoes lol.
How can you tell if your estrogen is crashing, what symptoms are a giveaway? I’ve recently noticed that the suggested dose of Arimadex is .25 every three days. I’ve always just popped a whole 1mg pill on pin days when running 500mg of Test or higher. Now I’m wondering if I’m been fucking myself up by running Arimadex too high.
Main thing for most is aching joints with low estrogen. I’ve got a few orthopaedic issues, so they tend to get very obviously worse when it’s low.
IMO there’s a lot of overuse of AI’s. A lot of us old farts either don’t or barely use them.
So for me my symptoms are my sex drive is non existent, my joints hurt and I feel like I have no lubrication, my sleep pattern is off and I have no energy or drive to do anything, then I know my estrogen is at ground level. Also dry skin as I naturally have oily skin. Man I couldn't tell you anything about arimidex or other ai. What do your bloods indicate? I gotta have my estrogen at right amount my man. @JakeKO
In my state you can’t just go and get bloods. It has to be prescribed by a doctor, so unless something seems very off, I just wait for my yearly physical which is coming up in March. I guess I’m ok because I rarely get any of those symptoms. The only time I ever get low energy is if I pin my GH in the morning. That just destroys me. Luckily, I don’t have any of the symptoms you described, but will definitely be looking out for them in the future.
I get my orders from lifeextension.com
Look under the menu for lab reqs
Signed by Dr., and lab Corp never looks twice. Actually cheaper than when my Dr. used to send orders to them
When do you pin GH? I thought the best time to do it was in the morning because at night you make your own?
There’s online places you can get orders for blood work. Not sure if those work in your state. But if you haven’t checked them out, it may be worth a look.
I had no idea it was like that in your state. So if you aren't experiencing any of those symptoms you're probably good.
So far so good. Looking forward to my physical. I did donate blood last week and found out that my blood iron level is down to 17.1 which is a big improvement. It went over 20 two years ago due to running EQ and not donating blood during a 16 week cycle. I’ve been hesitant. Than a short lived DHB run early last year had the same affect on me, but not as bad. Been donating blood every two months ever since
What do you think about DHB Jake? Did you like it, currently running it now and I was just curious what your experience was, thanks
It's just crazy that getting bloods in certain states is limited to certain situations. And I remember your high iron level situation. So far so good is always a good thing. Good to hear that.
Yeah that's fucked. Can't get a blood test without a doc wtffff
That's Ludacris as Mike Tyson would say.