+ 1 IGF-1 chemically synthesized vs recombinantly made
I have read an anrticle about an issue related to efficacy of IGF-1 and related analogs (DES, LR3, etc.) There are many reviews here about IGF-1 giving good gains, especially when used with GH. However, most of us are purchasing IGF-1-LR3 from peptide synthesis companies. However, chemical synthesis of IGF-1 completely lacks the correct disulfide bonds that impart the proper folding of the protein for its activity. IGF-1 and its analogs all require 3 disulfide bonds to generate the correct folded form of the protein, and this can only be accomplished in the body as naturally produced, or in E.coli as a recombinant source, just like how GH is made (recombinantly). Insulin is very similar in structure to IGF-1 and it also is completely inactive if synthesized chemically, it also has to be made recombinantly or extracted from a biologic source (people used to use bovine Insulin before recombinant sources). Recombinant means it is made in bacteria, which have enzymes to create these intramolecular disulfide bonds so the protein folds into the right configuration. All human clinical trials or current treatment of patients in the clinic is performed with recombinant IGF-1 or the LR3 isoform. The synthesized peptide version will have 0 biologic activity. There are countless references in the scientific literature to this effect. IGF-1 does work, but you have to use the recombinant form, which is 10X more expensive compared with chemically synthesized forms. What I find amusing are all the past threads claiming how great IGF-1 LR3 worked for bros, especially in combination with GH, but best I can surmise most were using the version of IGF-1 LR3 from chemical synthesis, which has 0 biologic activity, regardless of dosage.
Anyone have experience with recombinant or both versions?..
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http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/661752-igf-1-an...
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Sorry, I did not know that I have to state the source of the article when I posted this before. Now I do.
It's all good just credit the guy.
I don't know about his research methods though since the premise is that the cysteine thiols wouldn't form properly. Yet once we inject it our body has several enzymes for reducing those groups so I'm not sure why it wouldn't be activated and folded properly in the body even if it wasn't originally. Given me something to think about when I have more time. Anecdotally I've gotten better bumps ravenous hunger and gone hypoglycemic using research grade lr3 so I'll have to look into it further. Could be getting a mix of ghrp 6 and a low dose of slin?
I have used chemically synthesized IGF-1 LR3 at 120mcg/day before. There was some good pumps and a little bit of "hypo-feeling" at the start. I had run it during my TSTe+TRENe+Oxymeth cycle. It's hard to tell if the great pumps were not just a result of my AAS combination used in the cycle. I know a guy (former president of local NABBA association) who told me about his personal experience with using of the real recombinant IGF-1 that he were able to got once. He said that he felt like his muscles are going to explode after 1 week of using. Intensity of the pumps from rIGF-1 at only 50mcg dose were incomparable with any other substances he used before. He had to decrease the carbs intake after second week which had no negative effect on his further gains in this cycle. He also said that he didn't take more that 50mcg dose during whole 4 weeks cycle. I really don't know if the IGF's from research peptides companies are chemically synthesized or mix of other substances with the similar side effects. I don't know if the real chemically synthesized IGF is total garbage or it works just a little. I will definitely start o log after I'll receive the LONGĀ® R3 IGF-I from Repligen. I am going to share my upcoming experience with the rIGF-1 on this forum.
I get great pumps from igf lr3
But I know I'm not using the recombinant one.
I never get pumps with aas which I find odd I crave these pumps and often wonder why no aas gives me pumps sorry for side tracking to your very informative post.
brick topare you happy with the results you are getting from the igf?
From my first source yes my current one sorta its seems hit or miss some vials turned cloudy immediately and didn't work for me 2 worked well and didn't cloud up.
Gonna revert to my previous source.
The only time I've ever been accused of juicing was on igf the pumps are phenomenal.
I wish aas could give me that but they just give me water muscle that's mushy and soft
Tren with raw garlic had my muscles the biggest they've ever been relative to my frame ,there was a incredible synergy with it.
Only problem is I feel sick and weak with tren
The food I eat stays in my stomach and doesn't digest and I get these weird vomit burps
I am currently waiting for LONGĀ® R3 IGF-I from Repligen. I will inform you about my experience after few weeks.
How did it work?