-1 Pre-Cycle Labs are in..Worries..
Ok, I have posted a few topics in the last few weeks around me doing a Test E /Anavar cycle at age 46 (planned on starting May 1st).. I had some basic labs done but my MD gave me crap about having my T level checked and said " dont Believe everything you hear on Dr. Oz, not everyone your age who feels tired has Low T.
So I said screw it and just had some labs done at MDLABTESTS.com. and picked what tests to have. Well... they just emailed me the results. Only listing the out of range values:
Cholesterol total is :206
HDL: 44
LDL 128
Triglycerides: 172
Non HDL Chol: 162
Creatinine is : 1.44 (High)
eGFR is : 58L (low)
Testosterone Total is 197
Free test is 42.7
Now I don't know if i should try to cycle the 600 mg Test E a week I planned or not..
my stats are pretty good as I have posted before. I consider myself to be in decent shape (except I have zero stamina). So I guess I am looking for advice (other than find another MD because I plan to already). I really want to go through with the cycle as I have purchased everything..AI, PCT, Gear... and I have my diet in check and Im back in the gym daily. HELP!
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Well injection number 9 this morning( start of week 5)... Noticeably more tired the past few days. Also noticing left nipple starting to itch. Been taking 6.5 mg of Aromasin Ed for a week now. Just up'd it to 12.5 today. If this continues I may have to get my labs done a little earlier ( was waiting til week 7) sound like estrogen is a little high?
AnonYeah, I would guess that your estro is high. Usually you want to do labs about 4 weeks in because the test is active by then. Usually recommended to begin AI first or second week.. If your levels are in that high 100 range you might want to up your dose to 25 mg's ed for a week and then do bloods again. If estro has dropped significantly then you can adjust your dosage. I had similar issues brother. U'll be ok...
Thanks Bigg. I was hoping to feel a little more of a kick from the Test before I had labs redrawn. But I guess it would make more sense to do it now and adjust accordingly. Thanks so much for the response
Good info. Thanks cloaker. I put on Testim gel everyday but its not enough. What it boils down to is I'm afraid of sticking myself with a needle. There, I said it. A friend at work just had an abscess from injecting and had to go to the hospital. What would be great is an oral only cycle. Or to get my hands on some high octane test cream again. My friend got some and shared a couple years ago. My lord, I was walking around with a hard on all day and even the fat girls were looking good. The stuff came from a HRT clinic, but the initial cost was a little high just to get it.
You're scared now, wait till you start injecting. There is definitely a thrill about it. Soon you'll be looking forward to your next inject.
Ok look, I hated the idea of injecting myself. Get some 25 Gauge 1" needles . Inject in your quads only. Here:
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2PDqLDjMDtA
If this fuckin kid can do it so can you!!! actually it works well and I applaud him because he is the reason I started doing it myself. no stabbing...just slowly push it in. soon as it breaks the skin you dont even feel it. I do it in my right quad twice a week and dont even feel it or worry about it. Its all in your head and after a few times you will laugh at yourself for ever being afraid of it. Remember, the oral cycles are far worse your health that the injections. All that oral stuff will have to be processed by your liver and will damage it, while the injections will bypass it. Get some Test E and do the bi-weekly injections if your going to do it.
Great video!! I never thought about it, but it makes sense to use two different needles for the draw and then the injection. Also never thought about the "no blood" on the aspiration to ensure its in the muscle and not a vein. My friend who got the infection was injecting on his inner thigh, which goes against this video. Very interesting. Now the fear is if the stuff I ever get is not junk and contaminate/bacteria free. I guess the only way to ensure that is via a real Dr. and pharmacy, which I may do someday via a clinic. Thanks for the good reply.
You stated it was foolish to do an Anavar only cycle. Why do you think so? I am considering doing this to lose weight(along with some clen)
Well lets look at like this (and remember im not an expert here). Testosterone does alot of things for you, including strength, energy, libido, etc... If you dont use it as a cycle base, you will loose all of these things. The Anavar will shut u down. You may gain strength and gain a couple of lean pounds from it. But i guarantee by week 6 or 7 you will feel like shit. Ur libido and energy will be gone. You will need a full PCT afterwards too. So even if you dont do large amounts of Test it should still be included as a base to keep u going. I did my first cycle with oral anavar and injected winstrol. I did lean out and gained power but i felt terrible and i am betting its the reason my test is low. I didnt do any pct either. Im on 600 mg of test e weekly right now and im just starting week 4. The bloat that i started getting is leaving and I feel great. Im going to add some var in weeks 7 - 14 so we shall see what happens the results this far blo away that var/win cycle. But like i said u may get some results from the var but u will trade off ur natural test and feel shitty.
ok.. 5 injections in (this sunday will be week 3)I am up 10-12 lbs... I have decided to chill out on the big eating and tone it down and control my intake. Just staying high on the protein. I don't really want to gain 20 or 30 lbs of water. strength is going up more and more every workout. I do have some joint pain and feel like I am slightly bloated. My energy level is in a place it hasn't been in years though. Libidio isn't screaming high but since it hasn't been a full 3 weeks yet on cycle we shall see what happens. I am looking for advice on starting the aromasin though....Other than bloated and ache joints I see no noticeable sides. No sensitive nipples etc...should I just start the 6.25mg daily now or wait? Not really sure what the start point is...Again I am injecting Test E every sunday morning and Wednesday night 300mg each and tomorrow will be my 6th injection
the latest I would start aromasin is wk 4 that's going to be about the time your estrogen is getting out of normal range. you don't want to wait until you have itchy nips because then you will be playing catch up on controlling the estrogen. glad to here it's going well for you. also if you feel your bp is getting high you can take 1 tbsp of apple cider vinegar with a glass of water... it is nasty as hell, but it works.
Thanks, you have provided me with some great advice from the start and its really appreciated.
Do you have any suggestions for combating bloating? My strength is great, my arms are getting huge but I am getting thick in the mid section. I cut my calorie intake to about 2K a day but its not helping. Pants are getting tighter. Has to be water retention.
Watch the sodium intake, not just the salt you put on your food but look at the food you are eating some foods have a lot of sodium and also watch the condiments you use some have a lot of sodium as well. eat oats with your first meal it has fiber so should help. try and eat 3-4 oz greens with each meal it will help move things along if you know what i mean. you don't have to cut calories the apple cider vinegar also helps with water. i can drink a serving of it and about 30 min later i have to piss like no body's business(that's my body getting rid of the water.)
Ok thanks ill give it a go! and yes, I am heavy on the ketchup, sald dressings etc....so I will back off.
ok, Blood pressure up a little bit 159/84.... from 120/80... I would assume thats a normal side?
It a normal side for some people. Mine spikes like that whenever i substatially up my dose. Have you ever had readings that high? Without my BP pills mine looks like that normally, i envy people with regular BP.
Water retention will definately elevate your BP. I would start your AI and see if that helps.
Keep your eye on it and you may need some sort of short term treatment if it doesnt come down with an AI.
Honestly I will retest tomorrow. That reading was after 2 red bulls a coffee, and I had just flipped out on two of my employees.....ill recheck ;)
Not the best time to check it, mine would have been about 30% like that.
Well I have to this shits gotta be GTG... Tomrrow makes 1 week (3rd injection) energy level is way up. Well being and thoughts are much clearer too... Amazing the differnce in how I feel from a week ago.. I worked in the yard allday (which would have made me exausted).. when done I took the mutt for a 3 mile fast walk and went to the gym for a solid hour of weights. Still energized and ready to go. I am curious on what the next few weeks will bring.
Good news! Things should only get better as it should be atleast 3 weeks before you feel the full effects of the test E.
Well Ill tell ya... Not sure if this is the results I am looking for. Today is day 9. I gave myself the 3rd injection on Sunday morning.
My diet is lean and high protien. However, as of last night I am up 7 pounds already. I cant sleep, sweats, constant erections all night long that wake me up when I do finally sleep. I did D.E.stroy the old lady last night though. But if this is what I get after 8 days, whats going to happen after 12 -14 weeks of this?
My goals were to add 10 lbs of good muscle. i didnt do this to become a bucket of water(which only being on for 8 days would be what I think is happening).
My workouts are good except for cardio, I have researched this but there are soo many different opinions. Thinking I should push to at least hit the treadmill to build up to do 5K a few times a week. Or is that a no no on Test?I fear if I am up 7 lbs already whats going to happen when this "kicks in".....
You must be a quick responder. Sounds to me like you levels are pretty high so not much more to be expected. Water weight is normal, it will take a while to put on the solid 10lbs. nutrition is th emost important part so make sure your diet is on par with the cycle.
A good AI should keep you from putting on too much weater weight. make sure you ahve your AI dosed correctly.
Well I have some Aromisin but didnt plan on starting it (12.5mg EOD) until the end of week 3.... although some say I shoudnt take it at all unless I show signs of gyno etc... I guess i will wait til next week and re-evaluate...
Your test is low, so i'm sure you feel like crap. You did not post your hemoglobin, hematocrit or RBC. if they are high, I would not start a cycle and get those taken care of (give blood if you can). How's your BP? at your age, you should be monitoring it regularly, especially when using AAS.
If those are in range I see no reason not to start a 600mg Test E cycle. Once your PCT is done, run your own bloods and if your T is low, find a good TRT Doc.
I couldnt order a CBC through them for some reason. However my Crit is historically low (around 37 i believe) I was told at the time it could be due to my celiac disease causing me to be slightly anemic. I have my BP tested all the time ( I work in a hospital) always right on 120/80...
I started the Test E on Sunday morning at 300mg and did it again Wed eve... not sure if I should be feeling anything yet but I swear my energy level went up in less than 2 days. Over the past 2 nights I am having trouble sleeping and have been sweating at night too... not sure if thats normal but Im moving forward!
Sounds like your g2g, infact the test will help raise your levels to counteract the low crit. RBC, hemo and crit are all related to each other so your levels should be fine. Keep montioring your crit and BP just incase.
With test E it will take a few weeks to feel the full effects, but you might be feeling something already since your T level was so low. When that 600mg kicks in you will really know and so will every woman you cross paths with! You will have no doubts when it kicks in.
Test might make you sweat a bit more only cause your metabolism is speeding up but you should be sleeping better. Hit the gym in the evening and you should sleep like a baby.
Keep us up to date on your cycle!
Edit: One other thing I forgot to mention, your lipids are high and you need to do something about that. The cycle will only make it worse. If eating clean and regular excercise doesn't fix it, you will need to look into meds.
Hormone replacement therapy in the physiologic range typically lowers blood lipids. There is a possibility at 600 mg per week it could raise lipids. Very important to manage carbohydrate loading.
Also elevated blood lipids are not a risk factor for heart disease, however they can contribute. Inflammation, oxidative stress and autoimmune response are the primary problem.
Understood about the Lipid panel. I have really been on "who cares" diet for about six months prior to labs. I am eating clean now and working out so it should have positive results. I planned on re-doing labs around week 6 or 7 so Ill post those results too... Hopefully I have a productive cycle as i am excited about having some great results.. we shall see...
your test levels are already low enough for a doctor to put you on TRT. i think it would be in your best interest to find a doctor that can have blood drawn and get on trt.... personally, i would do that before i got on a cycle. yes you can wait until after a cycle and crash but i think it would be better to focus on the long term now. once you are on trt you will start feeling a lot better and the symptoms you are experiencing will go away that is caused from low t levels. you may even want to hold off on the cycle at that point. being that your 46, getting you on trt will improve the quality of your life and not a quick fix a cycle would give. eventually that cycle will end and then you have to go through the process of getting on trt after waiting for a full shut down.
personally, i would put more focus on the TRT than doing a cycle right now.
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You should hold off on the cycle until you find another doctor. Find a good endocrinologist that can put you on TRT. The reason I say to hold off on the cycle is they will want to run their own blood work before starting TRT. Unless you dont care about that and will find a doctor later on down the road. Is this your first cycle? I see no reason to not start the cycle. Give us a bit more info on your cycle history or if this is your first one so we can help you out more. What are you trying to achieve with this cycle? What is your height/weight/bf%?
How do you feel in general having low Test levels? Have you noticed being more tired, depression like symptoms, etc?
Basically yes to all of you questions...all of the classic symptoms.
My cycle history is really limited. First AAS ever was about was about 6 yrs ago..foolishly oral anavar only. Then Two years ago I did a combo of Injectable winstrol with oral var again. NO PCT either time (probably what screwd me up).
This would be my first ever Test cycle since after my research this is the way to go. So I guess this is my first real cycle. I am trying to gain some more lean muscle mass and some strength. I am 5' 11" hovering on either side of 200 lbs right now. BF is Mid teens right now. Sooo hard to train right now without any energy. I push hard to get through what used to be normal workouts. My cardio stamina is in the tank right now too. My strength is gone as well. Gone from a bench of 315 of 5 reps last summer (without any var or win) to now I am lucky to but up 225 for 2 reps. Albeit I laid off the gym for 5 months and have only been back on the weights for 4 weeks. But I can feel the fatigue so quickly... I really want to do the cycle, feel better (hopefully), then seek out a doctor after my PCT and my own labs again. Once I am back in the tank I will make an appt.. at least thats my thought right now unless people here say differently.
Well my true goals were to gain 10lbs of lean muscle and drop a couple of percent body fat.
I am afraid now that if i cycle my body wont recover. But then again, my Test is so low maybe i should look into TRT anyways. But if i cycle I cant get another doctor and look into TRT until i crash. Just not sure what to do now...
Obviously you have low testosterone and I am assuming that you had your levels checked in the morning. The creatinine shouldn't be elevated at your age unless you were dehydrated, ate a substantial amount of red meat/protein or are taking creatine.
What are your goals?