posted Sat, 04/06/2013 - 08:59
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PCT on TRT, what's the best way to do it?
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Stats: 41, 5'11, 185, 16%bf
Hi guys,
I'm dr prescribed androgel which brought my test levels to about mid range. I decided to do a test e cycle of 500mg/w for 10w.
While on cycle I stopped the androgel as I felt I wouldn't make a difference given the test e.
I read somewhere here that guys on TRT don't need to run a full PCT...
The questions:
What is the minimum doseof nolva/clomid pct I can get away with and at which stage should i reintroduce the androgel?
thanks for the help and advise.
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thinktank, you still around? What have you found that works for you in regards to this post?
I have a test level of 220 before starting TRT. There is no need for PCT because why would I want to even try to get back to my 220 level. I haven't done a blast/cruise in a couple of years. I just basically stick to 150 mg a week and I do fine.
drewbaby, do you get labs done on a regular basis? If so how often? How are your estro levels along with everything else? I'm doing trt only and I've got lab issues and am in the same boat as this thread. I'm 40 and my norm test is 170-220 and has been since I found out at age 29.
The problem with TRT that many doctors do not realize, yet. Is that being on Testosterone year round can and will cause the problem to get worse. One of the reasons "normal" people cycle is because the natural testesterone suppression can be permanant, for long term use. From what I have learned, HGC taken at 500iu, 3 times a week for 3 weeks, every 3-4 months is the best way to go. 5000 iu will do perfect. Take 500iu eod for 20 days. I am currently studying clomid and other things that may help. As of yet, I do not understand how clomid would help bring back a person's testosterone levels to normal. I thought it was an estrogen blocker. Also, please keep in mind, receptor saturation. Taking the same dose of the same AAS will diminish in effect as the body seeks to maintain what it considers normal, this is called homeostasis. Also, the receptors to any AAS will become satuated, that is why steroid users seldom, if ever, do the same cycle twice in a row, unless they have nothing else available to them. I hope this is helpful. Please PM me is you'd like to talk more. Thankyou
thanks for your input bro. I agree, dosing HGC correclty is key.
Why do a pct when you are on or about to go back on trt? You will just dump a bunch of liver toxic shit into your system to restart your test production, then immediately after you will shut it down with the trt again......people on trt dont usually do pct, its pointless.
gels are just bad in my opinion
hate on my opinion but i take vitrix ( trib) and chrysin and makes my dck hard as fck after and dont need womans prego urine in me. people wont like my view but to each their own. Im not hardore , i just do to keep on point .
AnonYou know its funny that i come across this thread because i use to think even tho i been on trt for quite some time...i used to pct and thought i was doing it right too.....l m f a o.... now that i think about it that is some funny shit hahahahaha
But thats what makes eroids so great guys there is a wealth of knowledge here and alot of us are willing to help those that have questions
See i didnt always k.ow what i know now....i have done mny cycles in my time....some with no pct at all.....i have ran many compounds that at the time i knew nothing about before i did...but boy did i find out about them......alot of things i have learned in my time i found out the HARD way
Androgen,
I hate to say this, but your comment was kind of cryptic.
You're someone I began looking to for some answers since I joined recently.
Were you saying that your previous thinking that doing PCT between a cycle and TRT is laughable because it's not helpful and/or necessary?
I'm afraid not to do something about residual estrogen and something to give my HPTA some kind of kick because the sudden reduction from say... 800mgs/week test to 150mgs/week is just bound to throw me off and make me feel like shit in comparison.
Damn,
I've posted this thrice and each time it appears "@Monstar" but I'm replying to Androgen!
Odd... almost like they're one and the same person ;-)
Whoops, this was meant to be aim reply to Androgen...
FR sent bro. I'm at a crossroads in that I'm at the end of a cycle and need to reboot my natty test, but I'm also considering TRT. How does one reboot natty test, or at least restore libido/sex drive and endurance when just cruising after a cycle. I don't see how not doing PCT ie. just cruising will restore the above after a harsh cycle.
Denser, the reason folk choose to blast and cruise is because unless you have extraordinary genetics, you can only get away with three or so pcts before your body stops restoring natty levels all together. Also, going back to natty, your body will not be able to keep the gains you made on cycle.
Cruising on test is going to keep you suppressed. PCT will attempt to get everything working and reboot your natty levels. There is never a guarantee it will work. Cruising would help avoid the lows people experience during pct. It's a life long commitment. The longer you blast and cruise the less likely you are to recover.
Personally speaking. I'm just about 38.levels are already on the low side natty so I'm going to do it. I'll probably catch shit for this but I'm a big boy it's my decision and I've done enough research. I'm going to blast and cruise for a while on my own. See how things go but ultimately I'll look to get under a doctors care. Doing it on your own is not something I recommend. It's a personal decision. One that I take seriously and am committed to regular blood work to monitor and donations also. Hcg. Ai... All things are a knowledgeable doc would do.
You're right monstar, there's a wealth of knowledge on this site, but sometimes you just can't get at all it yourself. You have to experience things and ask for help.
Cheers bro.
AnonRight bro......if you need anything at all holler
fr sent.
Thanks guys for all the feedback, I shall get HCG asap
you dont have to PCT when you are on TRT. Unless you are stopping it for a bit or something related, then there is no need for PCT. You always want to check your estrogen levels. Maybe also add some HCG into the mix for the ball shrinkage. I'm not a big fan of that androgel. absorption rate on that is not great. i would just go into the androgel without nolva/clomid.
Hi, don't know if you are on TRT or not, I am. HCG is very important, especially for people on TRT, HRT, whatever. Artifically raising a person's testosterone level with AAS causes the boby to reduce, or even stop, it's own testosterone production. Over time with continued use as with TRT the effects can become permanent. Therefore, without precautions taken, TRT can and will cause a person's problem to become worse. If you have any information contradicting what I am saying, please PM me, I'd love to hear it. I am always wanting to learn more. Thankyou
Rusty, I have arimidex. Coudn't get a hold of any aromasin.
My issue is that on the androgel my balls didn't noticibly shrink, but on the test e cycle they sure did. So, even though im on TRT i'd still like my balls back, sort of speak
So the question now is, should I bother with the nolvadex?
AnonIf ball shrinkage is your issue you should be using some HCG
No1Guys on TRT dont run a full PCT? They dont run a PCT at all, no need to
RustyhookerYou need to check estro levels. Even though you wont use clomid, the residual high doses of test are still converting to estrogen. Same as two Weeks after last pin pct should start....the AI is still being run. The androgel most likely could resume the week after last pin to avoid a dip in testosterone but that ai should keep running even if its liwer dose for 2 Weeks. Bloodtest will give most accurate ai dosing procedure.
Adex or aromasin?
AnonWell depending on the purpose there sure the fuck is a PCT for guys on TRT. Especially if u just need a break from the needle or in my case u re trying to have kids. But in this case if u just want to switch back to androgel just switch.
well pct is used to restart your test production but you are on trt so there is no need i would just start your androgel right the next day after your last test e shot
AnonSounds correct to me aswell