posted Tue, 11/22/2011 - 07:22
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Cheat days?
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I've been pretty clean with my diet, except for once a week cheat day, where I eat pretty much what I want and may have a couple beers. How do ya'll feel about that when on a cylcle?
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tread-mIt depends on your goal. If walking the stage and someone wants that as a career then to be what others want to be you have to be willing to do things others are not willing to do. I dont have those aspirations at my age and never did but I do have a cheat, I still look like a gorilla and everyone respects me as I do them an d the world is good, as long as I get a cheat day! If I dont my respect for others factor might diminish and the years of roid rage come back...lol. i always said rage was bp but thinking back it may be that I was just pissed cuz I didn't get any cupcakes! Seriously though it is depending what you want to see in the mirror. naked. I drop threads and look into the reflection and am quites happy with no signs of impact from the cheat day so no need to change. Now if you're like me, cover up the sausage with a T-shirt because that alone is enough to impress and I dont like my opinion of my body to be judged on that alone, this thing pulled a 35 lbs max 3 reps on curls the other day and I'll say again, to watch it drink a protein shake through a straw is the cutest damn thing I've ever seen! Lmao enjoy a cheat man, life is short and you earned it!
AnonI guess the bottom line is, it depends on how dedicated you are to your goals. An influencing factor is also the fact that the more frequently you do something then obviously the more habitual it becomes. Personally I never have cheat days because I simply no longer crave the sort of foods that would be considered cheating. Your daily nutrient intake can also heavily influence your need, or lack of, to fall off the wagon as it were. If nutrient intake is at a high enough level then you simply will not have cravings. It's very important to differentiate between nutrients and calories here. For example 3000 calories from regular meat, dairy, fruit, veg, grains etc will only have a fraction of the nutrient content of equivalent all organic varieties. And that goes for your protein powder too! Superfoods are another way of boosting your nutrient levels so high that the need to cheat can be a thing of the past. Of course none of that will probably have any effect on your desire to down a couple of beers. Lucky then that we now have organic beer available .....and yes there will be plenty of it in my fridge on new years eve!
some might say different http://www.food.gov.uk/news/newsarchive/2009/jul/organic
Anonwhat is the governments investment in the food supply ?
This could go in whole other direction, but have you ever heard of population control and the big money between gov and pharma?? Just sayin
Anonhaha ......now when was the last time you believed anything that your government told you?? The most powerful weapon we possess is truth. And everyone knows that you are not allowed to enter a government building carrying a weapon!
I'm with ya on this one bro! Don't get me started...ha!
Not very often I will admit. But I don't believe that there is such a huge nutritional difference in organic and non organic produce. If you were talking processed produce compared to organic then I could see it. just my opinion
AnonIt's not just about how much more nutritional value organic food has, it's also about what it doesn't have .....and that is the toxic pesticides, herbicides, fungicides and other chemicals that conventional food is laced with. These toxins when consumed on a daily basis, become stored within your fat cells and your organs, slowly leaching their poisons into your bloodstream 24 hours/day. Only 100 years ago, deaths from cancer in the human population were only 1 in 18. Now it's the leading cause of death alongside heart disease. Current stats: it kills 1 in 3 women and 1 in 2 men. What do you think could be the reason for such a sharp rise? Simple .....YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT, DRINK, & BREATH. Environmental toxins and their weakening effect on the immune system is the main reason for this shocking rise in cancer rates and other life threatening conditions. If you want to make one easy change that will keep you healthy and ultimately have a positive impact on your training goals, then ...EAT ORGANIC!!! IT REALLY IS A NO BRAINER!
100 years ago. People died from other diseases to which there was no known cure. The big C is still the one that gets you in the end even if you survive all the other diseases, because sadly as yet the big C has not been conquered. So the 1 in 3 and 1 in 2 are are just stats and nothing more. Are you actually saying people were less exposed to pollution and toxins during the industrial revolution, when there was absolutely no regard as to what people were exposed to?
I'd be interested in knowing pounds of toxins released in the atmosphere between then and now. Think I'll research a bit
I remember when I was a kid about 40 years ago. Sometimes in the year the air was thick with smog, that thick that you couldn't see your hand in front of your face. that's not something that we see anymore these days (thankfully). That said just coz you can't see it it doesn't mean there isn't anything there! Oh no, now I'm getting paranoid LOL
Comes with age bro
AnonIf you take the time to do a little research then you will find that today's populations living in the industrialised world are subjected to a range of toxins FAR greater than at any other time in history. So much so that it makes life 100years ago seem like the equivalent of living in a fricken oxygen chamber! And as for your comment that "the big C is still the one that gets you in the end", well keep on eating your toxic non-organic food and ya got that one right on brother!
I'm talking about the western world not China, India etc where there are little or no controls on emissions etc. And Look I can do all this without shouting brother! That way I can have a debate without giving myself a cardiac arrest even if the the big c does get me in the end. By the way my mind is not closed to your suggestion I just don't buy the your argument using stats that have no relevance. Debate is cool but shouting never won any debate or argument. In addition I'm not trying to win anything or gain points over anybody. Maybe you are more of a dictator than a debater!
Anoneh, you'll have to help me out here brother coz I'm more than a little confused ........JUST WHO WAS SHOUTING!! .....and if you really think that living in the western world means that there are any sensible controls in place to limit the number of toxins that you are being exposed to, then go get your tap water analysed and that will clear that little misconception up! Please tell me you don't drink that stuff! Anyway, I apologise if I made you feel that I was speaking to you in a dictatorial style, that was not my intention, and glad to see you have an opinion and are not afraid to use it! Peace bro!
gazzer vs sttimer! Great to see you gentelmen hashing out difference in opinion and coming to peaceful terms as brothers should. Kuddos to the both of you! Ya'll should of kept going, but I could feel the blood begin to boil over, lol.
And you brother. Peace
gazzer vs sttimer! Great to see you gentelmen hashing out difference in opinion and coming to peaceful terms as brothers should. Kuddos to the both of you! Ya'll should of kept going, but I could feel the blood begin to boil over, lol.
AnonI agree completely but when your dad hands you the giant bag of candy that he had left over from halloween it severely tests ones ability to abstain from pick out and eating all of the almond joys '-)
AnonYeh, they don't call them JOYS for nothing! It's a bit like young Grasshopper from the old Kung Fu tv series when he had to walk the rice paper without leaving any footprints before he was allowed to leave the temple. Once you can resist the delights of the "Almond Joys" young hrdbdygrrrrrl, then you too will be ready!
Organic beer?! Whole foods here I come!
I'm pretty lean for an old guy and my weekends are cheat days. That is, I try to stick with my diet but I don't sweat it if I grab a pizza. I love beer and tequila but like hellraizor22 raised, be aware of the effects of alcohol and your liver. Especially true is you are using an oral on a cycle I think.
Bro, with those pesonal stats you definitley should post some pix. Your age with that height, weight, and body fat are impressive let alone interesting! Kuddos.
Thanks, means a lot. I'm divorced and kids are grown. My life consists of working in a cubicle and two workouts a day if I want. In other words, no real responsibilities and I retire in two years! Living the life I want ;-)
Cool bro
How's your libido? You don't have to answer that, lol. Just curious cuz mines a little low even on cylce.
Anonoooh, a little low even on a cycle ......sounds like a case of not enough free testosterone, could be due to too much of it being bound to SHBG (a nasty little fucker!). Try 250-500mg of Nettle Root Extract (capsules) taken 3 times a day. This magical little herb will free up some of that bound up test. Do a saliva test to check levels of free test before you start, give it a few weeks on the NRE and then re-test. Should see an improvement. NRE should be used daily by any man over 40.
Awesome
Appreciate it. Hope it does the trick and Happy Thanksgiving to you bro!
AnonThink he may actually be a cyborg
Or The Hulks daddy!
it just depends on how dedicated you are to training, but the beers is definitly a bad idea. your liver doesnt need any added stress, better safe than sorry bro
Even if nothing harsh is passing? I mean I am gonna do some Ana shortly, but that shouldn't be big deal, right?
AnonJust because anavar is considered the mildest on your liver please be aware that as an oral, we are talking in terms of relativity... a woman can run anavar for 12 maybe 14 weeks but she is only taking 5 to 10 mg.. men need to run anavar at at least 50mg to have an effects worth writing him about. So women relative to men can take it without significantly raising liver enzymes but.. what do you think happens when you add other stuff into the mix like alcohol.. etc? Do you really want to find out? And quite honestly all of it should be a BIG deal..
well i dont know what your cycle is. i mean in the end its your call, but i just wouldnt risk it in my opinion.
Opinion appreciated
Cheat meal or cheat day? I do cheat weeks during bulking cycles LOL. It's hard for me to get 5k calories down cleanly, almost damn near impossible given my circumstances.
I'm older and my goals are different. I will however get religious with the diet(which is quite ironic since I'm atheist) starting on Dec 12th and then it's down to a a few cheat meals on one day of the week.
I guess it depends on goals and how close you are to those goals, but I imagine you could easily consume 1500 cal in protein shakes alone, right? And just about make up the rest of the 5k cals in good fats, high carbs, and lean proteins...just sayin
I'm not completely out of line, I balance out with a lot of healthy fats and complex carbs and lean proteins. But I also don't shy away from normally taboo stuff (pizza!). I just don't get stupid with it. And on Thursday, forget about it - all that shit is going down with some pre-dinner beers and some during dinner vino.
Balance and quality of life...I LIKE
Like I alwas say, if you ain't jumping on stage enjoy. No reason to be so uptight if you ain't competing.
On a bulk cycle yes a little easyer. On a cut easyer said then done.
DefconI agree with this, I cheat during the whole bulk
AnonI cheat all the time.. after doing competition diets, I am through with being so hard on myself... even on lean muscle building cycles I have built in cheats.. love to have some coke and pizza every once in a while..
That's what I'm taking about, unless ur staging, do your body good... every now and then have a pizza, coke, and a smile
AnonDo it early on during the day and no problem. Just don't fuck with that slice of cheesecake its mine all mine......lol
NO, MINE!
AnonOh hell Bro we can split it . . . I don't want to be fat all by myself.
Alls fair in love and war, lol. What about the natural strawberry fruit topping? Share that too??
AnonScA REW the natural topping lets go for some super dope shit! Anavar sprinkles.
I think I love where your heads at! Ha!