posted Mon, 11/03/2014 - 20:33
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FAKE NATTYS
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I hate liars more than anything. If you guys follow bodybuilding I am sure you probably have seen the winner of this past weekends NPC Cutler Classic...the one and only Doug Miller "NATURAL" pro. lmfao. this guy is a joker. everything about him screams liar...conditioning, muscle fullness, supposedly being able to load 1100g of carbs the day/night before his show along with 10000 mg of sodium...yes 10k mg and get this...2.85 gallons of water lolololol. he has the audacity to post his clean piss test results like no one knows the way around that...suspension, shorts, and orals. People eat him up to....claim he will be the only natural ifbb pro bb....what a fucking joke
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IDK. I seen guys in prison that are jacked AF!!! No steroids there. But all you do is eat and workout
It's not impossible to get Big without Gear , Especially for Black guys . That being said It's the combination of Conditioning and Size that is basically impossible without PED's .
You can get Big without PED's
You can get Shredded without PED's but you can't do both .......
I looked up pictures of this Doug Miller and yes He is full of shit for sure . Shoulders that big with Striations like that LOL yeah Creatine isn't doing that.
It's the Hormones that allow bodybuilders to hold the size while shredding everything else , it's the only thing that makes it possible .
I think some of these guys think if they aren't running Tren, I******n and Growth then they are basically Natural compared to the other guys on stage . Which is kinda True from a certain point of view.
I was a fully sponsored bodybuilder all natty. Golds gym. Genetics. Take genetics and on point training and youre making a pro status.
If you got full dedication you CAN get large as fuck! This almost sounds like those people see a pro and... well he/she only made it because steroids. Lmao!
Bro look at vintage Photos of early 1900's bodybuilders .
Those are natty Bodybuilders because steroids literally did not exist .
After Anabolic Steroids were created bodybuilding changed forever and so did the potential of the human body. Arnold's Era or maybe a little earlier showed the massive difference between Natural and Enhanced.
Everyone from that point on with striated shoulders the size of a human head and Biceps carved out of marble claiming to be Natty are full of shit and we especially everyone of eroids knows it .
Just because someone passes a Drug test before getting on stage proves absolutely nothing . Are there people on the planet that can achieve an IFBB Pro physique Naturally ?? Yes maybe 1 in 250,000,000 but they damn sure ain't on eroids arguing with me .
1930s steroids were created and used.
If anyone took the time to actually research and explore those ifbb pros from teens til current the genetics is obvious. 99% of us will never come close to being pro. Compare that to that wackadoo 5plus grams of gear plus all the varied taboo products. He never cracked the top 15 and still dead before 30.
People were definitely running gear in the 90s. Test was first synthesized in 1930s. You think Arnold was all natty? Lol
Maybe you should re-read my post bro . That's not what I said at all .
My bad bro
That shit makes me so mad. The mental gymnastics he does must be similar to that tranny swimmer winning gold medals and then just standing there while 99% of the room steals glances filled with the deepest seething hatred at him. Just taking advantage of a loophole to steal glory from people who worked their asses off and have this one avenue to be recognized for their natural accomplishments. They have this ONE THING and he just swoops in and takes it away from them for a fake trophy. Doug Miller is such a fucking disgusting faggot.
Honestly i just looked that dude up. He is not that big that it looks impossible to be like that natty. I've seen plenty of people during my time away that are big as him or bigger and lean maybe not stage lean but they weren't even trying it was just their genetics. Some people only started working out when they started gear so they think it's impossible to be big without gear. Well for some maybe and IMO those are your chase irons, greg valentino, more plates more dates, where they get so into gear learn so much to try and make up for their shit genetics with it.
I also refrained from going on about myself and my prime genetics which wasn't easy. So give me credit.
Dude are you serious? Look at this shit. Also...irrelevant but..he has cop face.
Idk i think that's possible natty. Some people have crazy genetics. I was with one of his body just would not store fat it was a condition he had idk what it was. But he worked out abs are everything in site and was insane like open class pro big and that was in prison so no way he had gear. Not in that jail. And I've seen plenty of other ppl that big and that cut. Ialso wrestled and seen plenty of people crazy genetics in that sport. Lee priest said doesn't matter what u take. If u don't have it already you aren't gonna. Genetics is everything in bodybuilding .
He does look like a cop too. Lol
Dude people get all the drugs in prison. Just because you don't know how they could get a hookup doesn't mean it's impossible. To make that work they kind of have to make their methods discreet and inconceivable (I swear to god if someone mentions Princess Bride) by most. I respectfully disagree with you on nearly all of your points.
If there was anything in that jail i wouldve known. I'm not no slouche who ain't in the loop.
That's why i said not in that jail. There was juice in other jails but not that one. And this dude imparticular did not have the resources to get it even if it was available. Cuz he had no money.
Fella I know Won some top natural comps at his weight as high as worlds and he had to get blood tests and a lie detector test that ask if he had taken any performance enhancing supplements in last 3 years think was he said. I’m sure some are on juice and growth the heap and find ways round it and then there probably good few put on major size and get a lot more muscle maturity then go Natural for a few years and then they have major advantage.
It's the same old story man. I don't even know the guy but I just know reality and fact is yes, some guys are blessed genetically but you won't find any pro bodybuilder that's completely all natural. Not gonna happen Captain! No sirr. It's all for attention that's all.
I know for sure certain test can be beat so that doesn't prove anything to me. Now I won't get into them but the modern updated tests, those won't be beaten or it's much harder to beat them. Those certain tests cost way more money though
There is something called masking agents to bypass the detection in urine. Sadly yes. So manny fake nattys out there.
It's like Mike otren i.mean he says the same thing Everytime someone asks him I've looked the same the last 40 years yet he's sponsoring titan medical save palumbos trtnplace lmao.the simple question you need to ask you self at 56 if he entered ifbb.show classic.physquie other than the Olympia he's gonna win lmao even open a smaller show top.3 he's 6 3 240 and you no what happens to all the pros once they hit mid ,40s.legs.go
First dudes bigger than Dexter Jackson right.now.and simeon panda another 1 easily would win a show but he's natural yea ok and you guys are.right especially now so.easy to beat a piss test and polygraph. Honestly i.dont even no who the.biggest natural bodybuilder is bc I haven't seen one just recently look at Alex eubanks in 3 months on 200 mg test and hcg gained 20.lbs and tristlyn lee looks fucking gigantic now it's like once he started the test it hit his growth spurt he gained 35 lbs of muscle in 1 year I think he's 5 foot 2 175 full as a fucking house he's.prollly 7% bf instead of 5 now but he's gigantic looking now
I don't believe Mike but I will say the guy looks good for his age and he has damn good strength. Hey if that makes those guys sleep better at night then so be it.
A couple blood tests will expose him...he'll never be a heavy hitter in the IFBB...never.
You are right about both. As far as the ifbb he probably will be like look at least I can make it "naturally" even though he won't do shit
Do you know why i left the ocb which is the npc natural and the ifpa which is like that natural ifbb . Because their are many guys using testosterone no ester, tons of peptides, growth and insulin all that will not show up on the bloods and urinalysis, and the polygraph comes down to the guy giving the test 3 out of my 4 shows he went through the whole banned list guys were getting banned for jacked 3d because if its original ingredients. But there are many guys who are asked if they used any banned substances which i find fucked up, because i got read the whole banned substance list and than asked one by one if i used anything. Point being growth,peps,insulin can make a crazy physique and many of the top guys are using it thats why i left.
Was waiting for you to chime in. People are naive to think that certain competitors dontget preferential treatment. Especially those that happen to own a company that is a major sponsor
There are many who get the special treatment, just are there are many people who win shows and their coach is one of the judges,whether it be natural or untested politics plays a huge role. But the natural organization is fucked guys getting trophies for just attending having people tell them they look good, sorry they might look good as far as the average gym goer but they look like absoloute shit for the stage, and i think to many people just be nice and fill tgeir heads with shit. I knew of a few guys running slin, growth, peps, test noester and it was easy to see when they out weighed guys by 20 pounds and they were shredded and full. Being natural it is next to impossible to come in full like the npc guys you usually jusy come in flat and shredded. As far as this doug miller guy im sorry but i know what natural looks like and i know what untested looks like and he is not natural hes just found the loop hole in the flawed system.
You are absolutely right. Not that I agree with politics at all but Imo getting treatment to skirt drug tests/poly is way worse. That is just making a mockery of the whole federation. I think It's a complete joke that people say freak genetics.
I'm pretty sure his name is Doug Tren Miller isn't it?
Natty and still bigger than everyone on the cite! I like the non distended abdomen look! Nuyce!
Dude was natty at all...lied about it all his life. Only thing he used his no xplode for was a sharps container
AnonI use empty alcohol bottles with just a little alcohol left in the bottom
They do work well for that.
LoL that was funny but I seen in a interview that he did not hop on until he talked to flex about what he was taking...Seen he was coming in 7-8-9th place with his physique looking like that Now when he jumped on the sauce he started his reign.He does admit to gear use brotha you need to look for the interview But like I said he was natty up until then.They just tested ronnies genetics and were blown away by the amount of hormones he naturally has in his body.You truly just need to sit with someone who is a natural freak My brother got out of prison at 5-7 weighing in at 210# maybe 12 % body fat and that is taking a high guess he is probably lower...Never touched gear in his life just a super freak....It appears that we will have to agree to disagree I respect your stance/opinion
No no no...
Flex introduced Ronnie to insulin. He was 100% already using gear and lots of it. You're getting the story all mixed up.
*most his life. That's big but there is a huge difference between 210 12% and 210 peeled. I know people who I would consider natural freaks...true natural and they will never look like that. Natural bodybuilding had long been a joke too...everyone knows top natural pros aren't natural. Like i said bwfore there was no natural freak likw this befire the era of anabolics and people trained harder and ate cleaner in the golden era of bb. We will def agree to disagree. Btw they tested ronnies genetics? Like genome
Yea I am not sure the science behind it but yes they tested his genetics and were blown away by the results Marc Lobliner talks about it just recently they also tested Mike rashid as well
According to Mark Lobliner , Doug Miller is as natty as they come with mutant like gentics, of course I don't believe Lobliner is natty either.... Lol
Lobliner never claimed to be natty if you see his videos he will admit to it. =) Doug miller Mutant like genetics is true just like Ronnie coleman would smoke 99% of steroid users on here if he was Natural and that is a fact LoL
Yeah Lobliner isn't natty , I think he has eluded to being on trt in some videos. Which means you know his ass blasts and cruises.. Lol
I'm starting to think you may be a fake natty jk. On a side not ronnie claimed to be natural too. Look at old interviews with his supplement sponsors...he didn't even know what the shit was couldn't explain how to use it.
LoL on a side not bro you Look great No Homo....Yea I know I believe him to when he said he was natural I think around 1996 don't quote me on that...BTW get up on that Mod Position you would do good 4 sure.
Eh...ronnie lied his whole life about being natural though man. Appreciate it man!
This nooka ain't natty!
He looks small therr...look at how much size he picked up two weeks later ...npc cutler classic
Btw his company is a major sponsor of his federation...conflict of interest?
IMO there is no way he is natty. I believe his level of conditioning is certainly possible natty, but he'd be 20+lbs lighter.
I could care less if someone is natty or juicing but when someone purposely decieves others for his own financial gains, which is exactly what Doug Miller is doing, that I have a problem with.
I don't know why we even entertain this. It's fucking obvious.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Crs7hdNm2A worth watching....Elite Genetics Is all it is...my opinion NATURAL
I will say this bro There are guy's with ELITE genetics So yes it is possible that he is natural with TOP OF THE LINE coaches....It seems impossible because you and I and most people don't even have half the genetics that guy has....But again he may be on gear not trying to say he is or is not Just saying it is possible....
Look at bodybuilders in the 40s and 50s...before juice you saw nothing like that....not even mr. Universe
AnonAgreed
Not natural