Research stage
Hi
I'm 33, 6'4" 15st, 15% bf, started training at 27, but only serious for 2 years. ATG Sq 120kgx5, DL 170kgx5, bench 90kgx5, OHP, 55kgx5. My weights have gone up loads since i started but now started to plateau, plus i don't look that muscular, maybe because it's spread across a large frame. I feel it's time to explore the next step to achieve the look i want, so here i am. I've done a lot of reading in the last few weeks and tbh i still don't know where to start.
I don't mind pins, but orals seems easier.
Orals seem easier, but less gains and worse for liver.
Orals mean less gains/worse for liver but less obvious side effects like gyno.
I want to start simple for my first cycle but not sure which one to pick.
If oral, i'm thinking Anavar 100mg a day for 8 weeks followed by standard pct?
If pin, test eth, but how much, how often? I've read 500mg a week for 8 weeks makes sense, with nolvadex to hand, followed with standard pct.
Which should i try first, if either?
Interested to hear all thoughts...
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orals only is a bad idea. there are no such things as a safe oral they are all harmful. an to start out with crazy high dosages for orals for a first run is a double negative. trying one compound at a time to get used to said compound before adding others is the key, as test only is the basic first cycle some people do as many as 3 test cycles before the add another compound to get used to pinning, used to recognizing sides and running their proper pct.. I think you need to do more research as far as anabolics go. there is no easy route and gear is a tool. whats your diet look like? what style of training do you do power lifting?bodybuilding? pct is much more complex then just having some nolvadex. research proper pct, proper first cycles, etc etc. no one will spoon feed all the answers to you. but jumping on gear right away because your lifts are hitting a wall isn't the answer. there are plenty of ways just with tweaking technique and diet to blow through plateaus.
Thanks for the input.
My typical diet is:
8am
Porridge, eggs, banana, protein shake
11am
Chicken/meat, wholemeal bread
2pm
Chicken/meat, brown rice, vegetables
5pm - pre-training
Banana, protein shake
7pm post training
Bread, pasta or rice with meat
10pm
Protein shake
Routine is:
A) squats, abs, deads
B) chest, shoulders, tri's
C) back, bi's
D) swimming
Usually 5 days a week
I'd say i was a hard gainer and really think i need an edge to help me.
See my proposed test cycle in my other comment.
TronI was about to comment on this forum and thanks to you brother all I have to say is x2 lol... Perfect advice.
Take time and use the search function of the site. You'll find alot of useful info. Post a cycle plan in the cycles section and you'll get help with it. Do not do an oral only cycle.
Thanks. I found this and it tallies with what i've read before.
The Best Novice Steroid Cycle:
Week 1-12 Test E or Cyp @ 500mg/week split doses(250mg twice a week)
Aromasin or Arimidex on hand for any estrogen issues that may arise
15 days after your last injection of Test your PCT begins:
Week 1 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 2 Nolvadex 40mg and Clomid 100mg a day
Week 3 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
Week 4 Nolvadex 20mg and Clomid 50mg a day
How much Aromasin or Arimidex should i take if needed? If estrogen issues arise, do you stop taking the test and take the Aro/Ari or just take Aro/Ari on top?
I would research dosing for each, and look up signs of high estrogen. It's not that we don't want to help you, it's just that you need to get an understanding of things yourself first. It's easy to do what someone tells you to, but how would you know if they were right?
Fair point.
The cycle i posted here is from this site but it does tally with what other people have told me, and what my friend, who has done a few cycles before (to great effect), has said too. He thinks i should just go ahead with his help, but i wanted other opinions first, hence why i'm here.
What you have laid out is very much a good first cycle, but you still need to have an understanding of the sides of each compound, what they do, and what their purpose is so when things arise you'll be able to address it appropriately.
Gotcha, i'll do some more reading on Nolva, Clomid, Aro/Ari.
Thanks for you guidance, and trust me, i really appreciate the seriousness of the subject and risks involved.
look it up and than make a cycle log when you think you have a good plan then get it critiqued.