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Hello. Endurance Athlete on TRT pending surgery for an injury. Looking for FAST recovery solutions.

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Hi!

Subject kind of explains everything. I'm a late 30's athlete in a physical endurance sport with a possibly career ending injury. I have surgery scheduled but need to be back on my feet as fast as possible and looking for any and all help I can get. Injury is knee related and recovery with ligaments damage will be long. There's also some muscle tissue reconstruction that will require some rehab to overcome. What can I do to accelerate recovery timelines? Yes, I know the risks. Been in this game a long time. Had friends with similar issues and they sought help outside doctor's recommendations with success. What are my options? Basic test cycle? HGH? something different? I have not touched anything in 15 years so I don't know what has changed. I know this is a bodybuilding site but I'm sure there are some folks out here that can give me some ideas. Thanks in advance for the ideas and I look forward to gaining some knowledge.

ninjaengineer's picture

You need something that effects collagen synthesis. 19-Nor derivatives might help you there. HGH ....to a lesser extent, BPC 157 / TB500. Honestly if you have the money, those cultured stem cell injections you can get in Puerto Rico might be worth it.

UncleYoked's picture

The world has changed a lot brother.
If your injury is ligament based, I'd say stay away from the test. It's great for maintaining strength etc but it's not going to have a positive effect on ligaments, maybe the opposite.
HGH is great for healing, it's expensive but worth it, still not my first choice.
My healing cycle looks something like this:
TB500 10mg 1x a week for 6 weeks, then drop to 2mg or 5mg once a month after that.
BPC 2-3x a day, 1 site location, 1 sub q, 1 oral.
mk677 25mg 1x a day
Prebiotics and probiotics should be taken throughout, especially before your surgery. You can start all of this before your surgery. I'll break down what all this shit is now.

TB500, this is a healing protein derive from the thymus, yadda yadda technical bullshit, what it does is increases healing of all tissue in the body, primarily skeletal muscle tissue and ligaments but it's also one of the few that can protect the heart and one of the only things that can help repair the heart after a heart attack. It will also increase your cardio endurance

BPC157 is literally body protection compound #157, it was derived from gastric acid and designed with the purpose of healing. This, along with TB are going to be your big hitters with healing. My dosing protocol isn't based on any studies, it's personal. One because I hate pinning so often and two, because I do believe saturating from every point helps.
BPC reportedly also has a site location effect for healing and is bioavailable since it comes from gastric acid, it's just going back home. When you get fucked like this, it's not just your knee that's messed up, it's your whole body, and your digestive system takes a hit. Your gut is probably the most important and often neglected system in your body in terms of healing, so keeping your gut healthy and pumping it with healing property will help your body heal better and faster. Sub q in to the belly fat is just easier than pinning the knee constantly and even though it has site location positive effects, it will still spread throughout your body.

MK677 this is a growth hormone secretagogue, AMAZING stuff, truly is. It'll be the equivalent of about 3.5iu of HGH per day, which is a good healing dose, maybe a little higher than that. Be careful with how you eat, do some reading on schedules of when to take it and what to eat before and after, just like HGH it has an effect on insulin and you don't want to blunt that with taking in carbohydrates too early. MK is probably one that people can take year round with short off cycles. It does everything HGH would but is MUCH easier to take and IMO, a cleaner baseline, plus it's making your body work instead of taking in a foreign substance which is always ideal.

Honorable mention, when you get back to it maybe consider GW to get your endurance back on track.

None of this will have an effect on your endocrine system, they're not steroids, I don't believe you want to use steroids at this point. Good luck with your healing brother.

-PRE POST EDIT-
I actually, didn't read your title fully. I see you're already on TRT, that changes things a bit. I would maybe add in a therapeutic dose of deca or EQ to aid in joint lubrication and ligament strengthening but not enough to have any other real effects.

jonathanDoegherty's picture

Thank you for the knowledge bomb. Unfortunately, I'm not up to speed on a lot of the Acronyms you used. Yes, been on 200mg/wk test cyp for 8 years now. oddly enough, it was after a bad car wreck messed up my hormone production. Long story short, consistently had total test lvls in the low 100's and dr. put me on 200 every 2 weeks then jumped it to 200 weekly. been maintaining blood levels in the 200's consistently for years now and even though it sounds like it's low, I feel just fine. anyway....

I'm gonna google TB500 and BPC157 and see where it can be procured. Along with MK677... THIS sounds promising. I've been toying around with HGH for awhile now since I'm reaching the age where it can be beneficial. This sounds interesting for sure. I really appreciate the well thought out response. Surgery is in two weeks so I have a lot to get in order. Thank you. If you have any other pointers I would greatly appreciate a private message.

UncleYoked's picture

It's fairly normal for high level endurance athletes to have lower testosterone, can't recall the mechanism of action that causes this but it's not out of the ordinary to hear about.
You could also add a very low dose of anavar in there while you're recovering to help with muscle retention if that is a worry, if not, don't worry about it. Good luck on the recovery

alekaras's picture

Yes sir endurance athletes marathon runners etc have low T, the mechanism of action is cortisol raises significantly after those games runs training, and by that hinders testosterone!

Makwa's picture

If your friends had similar issues and success why not just do what they did.

jonathanDoegherty's picture

Back in school, when you got the answers for a test did you share it with your peers? I didn't think so either lol.. It's easier to seek help from the internet than have an uncomfortable face to face conversation with a colleague/competitor.

ONESICK's picture

WTF? What kind of shit friends you got? I shared tons of answers and vice versa.

Makwa's picture

You must not have very good friends then

jonathanDoegherty's picture

Not really sure what I said was smug or prickish. But I guess that's how the internet works. I came here for knowledge, not to argue with anyone. Glad I did because I didn't know about BPC157 or TB500. Seems to be pretty popular. I see on your reply below that your wife is recovering from knee surgery. What'd she have done? I having a ACL reconstruction, and Lateral Collateral Tenodesis along with meniscus repair.

Bearded_muscle's picture

Bpc 157 and TB500

Hgh is debatable, there’s med lit showing no improvement on tendon/ligament healing times, however a lot of anecdotal reports of guys who used it to accelerate healing. IME I sleep deeper on hgh, and I know sleep assists in injury repair. So even if it’s just an expensive sleep aid, it may be worth a look. It’s pricey but at your age probably something to at least consider with a coach/doctor and see if it might be helpful.