Greetings, shredda here. I found this forum, and liked it. I have moderated in past years. Former pro baseball player, in Europe , current BB in American Kempo . Been responsibly using AS for 17 years. My recent report from my primary was remarkable. Always take your body to the natural max, or to the best of your ability, then choose. My initial response on my first cycle produced seasoned hard mass, vascular. Guys who take AS w/o hard time in the gym really look foolish,! So easy to see, bloat, big n soft, zero separation. This is my experience . Be smart, newbies listen to the wisdom of clear vets here. Great to say hello to you all CCS