Traveling While Cruising Question
Whats shakin everyone, had a question for the community and looking for some insight. Had a prior discussion with another member of the community who helped me greatly, but wanted to hear what everyone else's view on the matter would be if they were in my shoes.
I'm currently cruising on about 175mg / week on test cyp and I'm headed on a bucket list type of surf trip to a very remote region of the world in late Aug early Sept, anabolics not allowed. The trip is going to be about 18-21 days total including traveling time. Photo with the post is one of the waves I will be surfing, beyond stoked on it.
I had the idea of getting some test-undecanoate now and begin loading it into the system thru july and august so it would be of no concern upon departure, but Im unsure of the mechanics behind undeca aside from its long half life. Info I would be interested to hear would be how to stack it with the cyp in the meantime and slowly transition to the undec. to keep things as seamless as possible, general-ish dosing amounts to achieve the changeover, pin scheduling, etc. I'll be getting bloods done about a week prior to leaving for the trip to check my field position and make sure all is well if I can figure out a way to pull this off.
I was wondering if I could gain any insight from you all on how / if this is achievable, or if there is another way you would personally approach a trip like this to where it can be up to a 3 week duration and you are unable to pin. If you have experience similar to this situation, share your story and how you went about it. Worst case ontario I guess if the undecanoate strategy wont work then I would have to pct and run this trip natty - but I would prefer to avoid that if possible.
Thank you all in advance for your input and I appreciate any help greatly. If I don't respond immediately I am sawing logs, it's late where I am but I will respond as soon as I possibly can. Cheers everyone and thank you again.
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Boys, I cannot thank you all enough for the support and advice you all have taken the time to give me. I am beyond stoked and grateful for you guys. Cheers, seriously.
Not sure why nobody isn't mentioning getting bloodwork done.
To know exactly where your blood levels are going to be: pin 500mg undec a week for two weeks, stop for 3 weeks get bloodwork done. See where your test levels are at (prob trt range).
Thats what I would do. I'd bring a few tabs of aromasin/arimidex incase e2 is too high or gives you issues.
If one of those waves catches you the wrong way you may not have to worry about how you are feeling after the first week LOL Not sure how much it costs, but I think I would just rather pay to get a script from one of the specialist TRT Doctors over there and take some with you, I don't have bollocks big enough to attempt to try smuggle it through customs.
haha yeah brother, that particular wave pictured breaks over about 3ft of water onto an extremely sharp reef. Its a dream wave I have always wanted to charge - one of those poster on the wall type of waves as a kid. Very blessed to be in a position to where I get a chance at it.
I dont have the nutsack to do it either, the trip is to indonesia, they will slap you with the death penalty if youre caught bringing in weed. So, needless to say - they do not play around about their drug laws. If its illegal, its a no no across the board. I have even heard of folks being pressed hard by customs for bringing adhd meds like adderall in.
I can swim okay, but am not a competent swimmer as such. First time I ever got trapped up in an American wave it scared the crap out of me getting plunged underwater and getting disorientated LMAO Bodyboarding was as far as I dare ventured back in those days Lol Ohh Jesus if its there then no way should you risk it - Death by Firing Squad for some Test Undec!! I'd say a lot depends on how much Test you are use to having in your system in general, if you spend a lot of time on TRT then I think you will be okay but if you have high hormone levels in you regularly it could be harder to plan and regulate.
You are not kidding man, during storms when the waves really come marching thru over here in the states it can definitely get gnarly.
I came off my first blast back in may and have been cruising ever since then, I think my last bloods I posted on like week 9 my Total T was like 3500 lol but that was the highest i think it ever was. I am about to get bloods done again here within the next week or two before I decide to try and add in this undeca to see where my cruising baseline is at.
If you have enough time maybe go three weeks with nothing and see how you feel? Then you’ll know what to expect on the trip. And if you don’t feel awful towards the end then you’ll know you’re good to go. Just make sure there’s enough time to build your levels back up before leaving
I was thinking about this as well, peep your pms hoss.
AK80You didn't mention where you are going exactly. I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble for a vial. We know where you AREN'T going though, so I wouldn't worry to much about it. Can't tell you how many times I've gotten green and white both through TSA in the knot of a pair of socks or in with the rubber fishing worms, etc. I still have all my old boxes and bottles of prescription containers that I toss stuff in to just be extra careful, but YMMV....
This country does not play about with their drug laws, I cannot risk it, plus Ive heard the food in foreign prisons isnt so good lol.
21 days is a long time. I’m more of a stable blood guy myself as I inject ed and it really helps with sides. Personally I would either pct beforehand and see how you feel and if you can ride it out during the trip, or I would try and get stable on the undecanoate.
I’m against injecting ridiculous amounts of cyp. That will just raise your overall serum levels during the trip potentially provoking harsh side effects during the trip (no one wants to breakout or get crazy anxiety during a surf trip). And also runs the risk of potentially crashing hard which would also not be fun.
Going from undeca back to cyp would be fairly mild if you handle it correctly. I’d actually suggest getting some prop if you can and taking it real easy on your cyp trying to get back to a stable 175 on cyp and if you feel really bad you can boost yourself with the prop in the short term. If you go this route use a steroid calculator to estimate. It won’t be perfect but it will at least give you some guidelines.
Up to you, but personally pumping 700mg of cyp sounds like a nightmare scenario where you’re risking potential acne breakout, heavy anxiety from increased estradiol, potential hair loss from increased dht, and potential unwanted body hair growth.
If you’re familiar with blasting and think you can handle it fine then technically they say 5 half lives to be completely out of your system. You could blast a huge amount and still have enough test in your system by the end of your trip. Ultimately it’s your decision though. Best of luck. And have fun on your trip!
Thanks for the insight, I just came off a blast in may so I am familiar with blasting. I can tolerate up to about 650mg before I get more harsh e2 effects and it mostly manifests in acne and feeling like my prostate doesnt want to let me piss properly lol. I am in a similar camp to you to where I prefer my bloods to stay stable.
I’d go to a trt clinic, suck it up and pay their ridiculous price for a month to get a script, then take that script test with you. Idc what the host region/country says. A prescription is a prescription. Just bring all that documentation with you in case they pull it at TSA. They likely won’t though.
Yeah, the trip is to a very remote part of indonesia and I am going to be on a charter boat for the entire duration of the trip. Indo doesnt play around about their drug laws either. Prescription or not if its illegal they will fry you if they want to. They are still in the camp where they will slap you with a death penalty for weed if youre caught with it.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/travel/page/travel-abroad-with-medicine#:~:text=Ch...'s%20embassy,from%20their%20health%20care%20provider.
Situations like this are exactly why I'm willing to pay for my legit script.
The problem for OP is he'll likely need to come off long enough so he can get blood work done to show the Dr that he does actually need trt. If I recall it took about 2 months to have my initial consultation with the Dr, get my bloods done, sit down with the Dr again to go over results and finally get my script in the mail. That might be pushing it for OPs time table.
Oh shoot I was able to use old bloodwork showing my low levels when I needed a fast script for a situation like this. The trt clinic said great, pay us $200, and we’ll send you some test, and then asked if I wanted some deca too lol. Had the script test in a week. Still keep the box with me because I know tsa isn’t gonna look hard enough to see “fill date” it just has legit prescription paperwork so they’re like cool go along.
Sounds like your process was much easier than mine. It probably wouldn't be as time consuming to go to one of the online trt clinics. Id probably go that route now if I did it again. But I actually like my Dr. Even though he's made it very clear he won't have anything to do with anyone he thinks is just abusing the different chemicals for performance purposes.
I gave up on my endocrinologist when he pulled some shady shit on labs that almost cost me $800. Long story but I dropped his ass. Definitely ain’t bringing it up to my PCP because can’t risk things getting in my file that show up on my security clearance checks. So now I go UGL, and if I need a current script for international travel then I just go to an online trt clinic that only cares about money. Domestic travel idc I just travel with preloaded syringes and supplies that look like I’m a diabetic. They never question it domestically.
Best option is to inject undecanoate once as it lasts a long time, here's a slight comparison (dark blue is undecanoate ) not sure how often ur pinning the test cyp but adjust to your needs, undecanoate also lasts a pretty long time therefore you should wait for it to leave your body before you run the cypionate again.
What website is this mate? thank you very much for the insight, this is a cool little chart.
Steroidplotter
anvilEven if you preload up a higher dose it doesn't stay in the system longer, it metabolizes as the same rate so I'm unsure how the suggestion of mega dosing applies to a 3 week trip.
Me personally, once in life time trip just go enjoy. Takes 6 weeks to fully be out of your system although levels will be definitely low by the end of 3 weeks.
Thanks anvil, I was kinda curious about that as well. Huge spike, huge dip, possibility for huge sides. I kinda coped by just telling myself that the avg wait time before pct is 2 weeks so thats at least covered so at worst ill just feel a bit shit on the plane ride back, no big deal. I did more calculus on my travel times and stuff and it will probably be closer to the 16.5 - 18 ish days opposed to 21
With half lives wouldnt a larger dose take longer Because it’s the same rate. For example if it’s 10 day half life and you inject 1000mgs after 10 days you have 500, another 10 days and you’ll still have 250mgs left?
Like with alcohol it takes an hour per drink now matter how many drinks you have it’s still one hour per drink so more drinks equals more hours
anvilI haven't seen it play out well for the person doing it, maybe on paper. A huge spike would happen, then a huge drop off. Sides come into play and not having dense enough androgen receptors. I wouldn't do it.
Doesn't really last longer, for 1000mg blood concentration peak is bigger and steeper compared to 500mg.
Ya so it’s not lasting longer to get to zero but you can see the smaller dose is below a therapeutic threshold sooner then the larger dose. If you look at like the 20th day, it’s higher. So technically you could do a dose large enough where on that 20th day you’d still be at a comfortable level. The problem would be that it would be a huge dose and you’d have all types of side effects from that and probably wouldn’t be worth doing.
anvilThis I agree with. If he's doing 175 and goes to 1gram ....just not good and the downward spike from that would have you feeling like crap
Great example --
I could be entirely wrong it’s just how I thought it worked lmao
My guy... Lol
I mean it sounds correct. Ive learned if someone is wrong on here, they will get corrected.
I'd just pin 700mg right before leaving of the test cyp and let the half life of the compound take care of the rest. Easy peezy
I would just blast a higher dose before you go. 500-600mg will hold you for 21 days definitely .By the time you get back your to level will be back around your TRT dose. I once blasting 500mg of test E and 10 days after that injection my total test level was 1168ng/dl. I guy after another 5 days it would of been about 500-600ng. So if it's going to be closer to 21 days I'd blast 750mg.
Worst case scenario, you'll feel really good for those few weeks on the surfing trip. By doing my method