posted Fri, 07/19/2013 - 14:27
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Realistic Goals for a cut?
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I'm wondering how much body fat can be lost in an 8 week test prop/anavar cut cycle. Well, I should rephrase that. I understand fully it's the diet so I'm really only going to use gear to help maintain any gains I have made. Is it realistic to go from 15% to 12%. Ideally I'd like to go below 12% but I'm not going to starve myself to do it. My plan is to up the cardio and get into a deficit that way and adjust the food intake as needed.
I also intend to go balls to the wall. Cardio till I puke. I am going to incorporate some plyo/HIIT.
Any advice?
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ClassyChassisIt's not really about calories. That whole idea is so antiquated. Two people both eat 3000 calories a day. One eats nothing but chicken and salad. The other eats nothing but donuts and cake. You tell me who looks better. It's all about the hormonal milieu. Somewhere in the Dark Ages Roger Atwater burned proteins, fats, and carbohydrates in a caloriebombmeter. To see how much energy they gave off. Guess what? You're body is not a furnace. Burn a log in a fireplace and measure the amount of energy it produces. Now, eat a log. I'm not going to go into a long discussion of biochemistry but the idea of "energy in - energy out" does not describe what takes place in your organism. The body is not a closed system.
Carbs result in insulin. Insulin is a storage hormone. Any excess carbs beyond what are necessary to maintain glycogen in liver and muscle will be converted to fat. If you ate 10,000 calories a day, all from fat, none of it could be stored as fat, as there would be no insulin. Protein can be converted to carbohydrate through gluconeogenesis however.
The presence of insulin inhibits the l-carnitine chain, which is necessary for the mobilization of free fatty acids for fuel. Your body prefers to burn carbs as they are the easiest to breakdown. So insulin tells it, "Save the fat for later, we have carbs now." This is why it is best to do cardio in a fasted state with low insulin levels, ie: before breakfast.
What I find helpful is Intermittent fasting. I mainly only eat during a 6 hour period each day. For breakfast I may have a small amount of protein and fat. Then I don't eat until post-workout, around 4 PM. So I've been burning fat all day as a result of low insulin levels. Then after I train, I'll have about 150g simple carbs with 100g whey protein. The insulin will drive the protein and carbs into muscle repair and glycogen storage. Because now I actually need glycogen after my workout. People who wake up and eat cereal for breakfast, why? They haven't done anything but sleep all night. Anyways, a couple hours later, a small meal of regular food and a couple hours or so after that, another one. Then when I go to bead, I don't lie there with my stomach growling and gnawing, and I have the material my body needs to repair and grow.
Also, I don't eat refined flour, dairy, or fruit. The only sugars are immediately after weight training. Now you'll have to figure out how many grams of carbs you need to maintain glycogen without spilling over into fat storage. Days you train legs you're going to need more than days you train arms, which will be more than days that you don't train at all, etc. But by fasting a large percentage of the time you will burn fat without suffering unduly. Because if you train yourself not to eat until late, you'll find that you do just fine burning fat for fuel. Actually probably less hunger and more energy than if you ate a reduced, "small" amount of carbs.
Anyways, my thoughts. Good luck!
How does this style of eating affect your metabolism? Seems to me it would grind to a halt if u eat like this.
ClassyChassisIt's fine. I don't really believe that eating 6 small meals a day increases your metabolism if that's what you're referring to. I mean, that's certainly preferable to eating 1 or 2 huge meals a day simply because that would overwhelm your digestive system. What I believe is that most people eat more than they need to. You need enough carbohydrate to maintain glycogen in liver and muscle and no more. To maintain muscle tissue you probably can get by on 1 to 1-1/2g/lb of protein a day. If you have increased nitrogen retention vis-a-vis AAS, then 3-4g/lb of protein a day. And perhaps 80-100g/day of healthy fats/ EFAs.
The fact that I'm fasting a large portion of the day actually means that I'm burning fat for fuel without having to go into full-blown ketosis. And I don't feel hungry or lack energy. I'm not even on gear. And I'm old even. Ha ha. And I'm staying at about 7-8% bf without feeling deprived in any way. Plus there's evidence that eating like this can increase lifespan considerably. I just don't think that humans were designed to eat constantly. Certainly not back in the day. You might have to go a long time without eating if game was scarce.
To sum up, I think most of the dietary advice that is put out there for the general public to consume is BS. I base my practices on a strong knowledge and understanding of biochemistry as well as years of real world experimentation, both on myself and others. I only offer advice that I know works, and I know why it works. So to answer your question, I would say that in terms of fat metabolism, this style increases it.
RustyhookerYessir its possible. If you have tie to do it run a split workout program. Morning and evening cardio. Cardio after weights....whether your main gym time is am or pm. Weights Burns carbs. Then when you hit cardio you're carb depleted and forcing fat burn. I dropped well last winter doing 2sessions at 45mins cardio plus heavy on the weights. Carb manipulating is a bonus for that as well.
No115% to 12% is only about 7 pounds of fat, which sounds right for 8 weeks
That is easily attained with diet and that mix. Don't really even need the anavar but it hardens you up nicely if your lean enough. You know it takes about 2000 calories to burn one pound of fat right so your deficit should be around 500 a day minimum to burn 1.5 lbs a week. Also read Vikings wanna get ripped post if you haven't already. There is a lot of genius in his theory that works.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/wanna-get-ripped-read-this
No13500 calories in 1 pound of fat, so 500 deficit would mean 1 pound a week
LOL my bad its been a while since I did a calorie deficit program. It is 3500. I hate those programs though. Even on gear it left me flat and exhausted all the time!
So 3500 calories burned or not eaten in a week means I would lose a lb of fat a week? I wore my heart rate monitor yesterday and it says I burned 1500 in one session. that would mean I would have to either burn 2000 and diet or burn less and diet more.
I've read vikings post and will def be trying to follow. I already have been with an occasional cheat meal. I've been feeling pretty flat as of late with the lack of carbs.
Yes and no. It is not as simple as starving yourself by 3500 calories a week. If you are going hungry all the time you will also lose muscle. I'll break it down the way I did it on a basic test cycle and see if I can shed some light on it OK.
Lets say your BMR is 3000 calories a day for your body type.
You consume 3500 calories to have the energy to lift and do cardio.
You are now at a 500 calorie surplus without taking into account your lift or cardio routine for the day.
Your workout has a combined caloric burn of 1000 for the day.
You now have a deficit of -500 for the day.
+3500
-3000
-1000
-500
This times 7 days would give you -3500 calories for the week equaling 1 lb of fat. But you cannot just eat crap and you cannot starve yourself just to get to a deficit. You will hurt your other systems.
I'm def not starving myself. My goal is to eat as much as I can and cut via weights and Cardio. I'd rather add an extra session in like rusty said them skip meals or eat a leaf.
Thanks for the info