one cycle, two labs, bad move
Just wanted to share my experience so others won't make the same mistake. I started a cycle of EQ and test p in April. I had product left over from another cycle so I started off with my left overs. Started getting nice gains about 5 weeks in. At 6 weeks, I had to switch over to my new stuff that I purchased this spring. Within a few days, my sex drive crashed. I figured OK the test p isn't dosed right, up the dose. No good. 4 weeks into the new product I started losing strength. Now I've been on the new stuff for 6 weeks, lost all my gains, balls have already dropped back in place and are back to normal, and my sex drive is back. I guess it's too late for pct! Lesson learned, I'll never mix labs in the same cycle. By the way, when I bought the second product, that lab was still getting good reviews. That has since changed. The lab is gone, out of business. (Domestic)
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Personally I would have used the new stuff first...
Ref your remark below. I HAD hep C.
Using Test- c, e or prop did not make a bit of difference on my blood tests.
Have you gotten tested to see which DNA strain of hep C you have? Interferon can successfully treat Hep-C.
I've been clear for about 3 years now. All lever functions are within normal range (AST in particular) even when on cycle.
RustyhookerEq and prop shows you did more wrong than just lab switches. You better research
markbeach512I have liver issues bro. Liver friendly cycle with slow steady gains. Never had a problem before.
RustyhookerProp isn't a liver buster. Again your research is poor. Prop is just goofy for an eq cycle.
Research!
Whats your ai? Sex drive is MORE than bunk labs. Its USUALLY someone with no clue on cycling. Bloods to prove bunk?
Whats your stats?
markbeach512That's why I use test p and EQ. Easy on the liver. EQ is only class 2 and prop is the most gentle on my liver function. I know this from liver function test while on test c and test e. My stats are 50 years old with hep c. 193# and 9% bmi. I've run this same cycle and gained 5 or 6 # that I keep every time. You keep asking stuff I already put out there. Clomid for ai
And please explain to me why test c or e is not "easy on the liver". Boy was this cycle a fail
RustyhookerClomid is not an ai
Prop holds more hormone by Weight than e/cyp so something else caused liver fluctuations.
So again, your theories are off kilter. 9% bf?? You musta dropped after your picture taken?
markbeach512You wore me down. I'm done. I just wanted to warn people about something I never thought of before. By switching product mid-cycle, I ended up not being able to tell where my levels were by knowing exactly what I was using. All I know is, when I switched product, everything changed. With the long halflife of EQ, it took some time to realize there was a problem. This cycle has worked for me in the past without causing further liver damage. Thanks for all your wonderfully advice.
RustyhookerYou got more problems going on than clearly discussed. Switching labs was a lead in question to see if you had any ideas or proof the prop was bunk. It is posdible it was bunk. But in reality you cited nolva. Nolca is NOT an ai. Loss of libido and strength and gains probably high estro. But you didn't test your blood.
Eq has a half luft of 17 days. That means that at 10Weeks its JUST starting to work. It also means you theory below on 6 Weeks before next cycle is invalid. You got minimum 21 days buildup. So, theres eq in your system right now.
I tried to FORCE you to read. Your health is already in the shitter with hep. Tgen you also won't take time to research. I gave you all the keywords so you can come back AFTER searching but you want golden spoon fed answers.
Why risk your health? I can on this post to guide you to LEARN by RESEARCH. You wasted my time. And what did you get outra it?
You still dont know...... Thats a shame!
markbeach512I got the idea the problem was the product after reading recent reviews on tyrant labs. He sold bogus product before his "vacation." I've run this exact cycle test p, EQ, and Clomid from kalpa and gym labs with no problem whatsoever. I have researched and had to take into consideration my health issues. For real, sorry to have wasted your time.
RustyhookerTry a top notch lab. Blood test on cycle. Nolva wont lower estro....which causes estro to remain high.
New tricks out there.
Pretty sure source talk ib the general forum is a no no. I'd probably edit that post
markbeach512Your right bro. Broke rules to help someone understand the source of info. Looks like I lost my opportunity to edit. Can't fix it.
aren't you still on the eq? if so you still need to pct. Eq will suppress you just like any other steroid.
markbeach512Pretty sure the EQ was bunk too. Sex drive is back and balls in place. Gettin blood done Wednesday to make sure all is well but I think I recovered completely already.
Ya bloods are key in this. I'm assuming you know how to tell if say your test levels are 500 if it's from gear or natural? Cause it might just be undwrdosed to the point where it puts you in normal range or even low.
Damn that sucks bro. Get that bloodwork done to make sure you're all good!
markbeach512I plan on starting from scratch as soon as my latest order lands. So, yeah bloodwork asap.
RustyhookerAnd no proper time off?
Smh....
Nothing more to add to this... SMH..
RustyhookerEq bunk .....prop bunk......no ai.
markbeach512I'm pretty sure I've been off 6 weeks already. Was only on good product for 6 weeks. Proper time off is equal to time on right? Last time I checked 6=6.
Rusty may have a better answer (as in how much has built up over 6weeks, which determines how long AFTER last shot you need to pct), but after a 16-20 week EQ cycle at 6-800 a week I believe it takes all six of those weeks to just CLEAR the system, THEN start PCT. also, it's time on PLUS pct equals time off. What rusty is saying is true Mark, do some research before you cycle again. 50 is an age where your body is more sensitive to potential health risks then a 30 year old, so do yourself a favor and really delve into these forums sir, before its too late.
RustyhookerAgain, you prove your ignorance. Whats the half life of eq? How many half lives til its gone from system? And thats how many Weeks?
Research. I'll be here all day long....