NEED INPUT ON CAUSE
Ok, this is my situation. Has to do with reviews as well as my body reaction to what i believe may be bad product.
I started my cycle in Oct. with:
prop 100mg eod week 1-2
Test E 250 ew week 1-5
Test E 500 ew split week 5-prestent
var 20-30-40 up 10mg ew to 40mg week 1-6 dropped it and picked back up at week 10 @ 30 ed.
well at week 10 i switched Test E brands but not doses. after about a week and a half to 2 weeks of new stuff started feeling real sore day after work outs and random errections stopped, my testicles hurt and feeling of being superman just dropped. i became more irritable. didnt know what was going on. I consulted one of the brothers here who gave me the idea to hip 100mg of prop 3 days in a row and see if anything changed. i did that and i do feel slight change. soreness is gone, not as irritable. i also switched back to other brand of Test E as well. But that wont kick in until later but prop may have helped.
Question??
Could the symptoms have been a sudden drop in testosterone in my body from the switch to the other brand -which may have been under dosed- or some other reason.
Would drop in test in my body cause the extreme soreness after work out. strength has dropped slightly but not dramatically.
Input would be appreciated and if you need more info let me know. thanks all.
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yeah that sounds to me like its underdosed, but like tread said make for sure thats what it is before you come too any conclusions. Every time i go off cycle from test I get sore and irritable, especially when deca's in the equation. my knees ache and my elbows and hips, basically deca seems to give a great lubrication to your joints and you get use to that and when you come off well the lubrication is gone and it sucks ass. keep us posted homie
tread-mJoe its tough to answer without more time and more answers. I'll give you some possibilities and they are guesses based on what I know and assumptions of what I don't know in details. The timing is about right to assume there is a possible low dose on the new product and drop in test could absolutely have caused the chain reaction. One thing that could have occured is a change in water as a result od switching to a lower or under dose. The change in body water always makes me ache. Sometimes even to the degree of flu like a little post workout. I hate my down time away from deca is hard on me for a week or so once the deca wears off due to the difference in water in part. Same with sauce, if I am running sauce and jump to prop and not running deca it can hit me a little as I drop water. Popping in an AI and dropping water while not running deca, same thing. A lot of variables to think about and the most important could be one kmc mentioned. Estrogen....if your estrogen took a sudden jump it can not only change the wood situation, it can cause other issues as well. I say run a test and pop in adex for a couple weeks at .25 eod and then run your new test again and see if the same thing occurs. If so it kind of tells you something. Especially if after trying it again with same results changes as soon as you switch back to the old test. I always hate to say mucbh about a product until I know for sure. I actually am leaning towards under dosed with what you have described but I know there is at least some doubt so I say be sure before you say anything. Has this source with the new test had any other complaints about the same product? I think that would be of some help too....anything I missed pop in here or PM me.....
well let me start by saying, i did three days of Prop 100 and at the third day i felt decent, last pin was two days ago and already i am feeling sore again so??? tells me this is the same type of test you were talking about doing to see if i get the same result. what it tells me is that my t was probably dropping and caused the sides. i hit the prop it went back up i began to feel better, prop wearing off sides are coming back??? I also hit some of my old test E again 5 days ago so that should kick in soon. my thing is this. i have a couple weeks left on this cycle i am not gonna experiment. I think the prop for those couple days says enough. i want to finish out my cycle and not go through that again. the source is here and im sure has read these posts and has failed to chime in so i am wondering if he knows his stuff is underdosed. all these guys are buying product but no one is coming back with reviews on the actual product. i have seen two guys mention it and both were good reviews -if you want to call them that- that were very basic. so with that said i will post my review later. it is superman labs from NG. NG is a good guy but that dont mean crap if the gear he is getting is underdosed. but will post the review over there later today, thanks for your input brother.
Your basicly taking shots in the dark, Blood Tests will answer a lot. 10 weeks on cycle when you switched (with an ester that takes 4-6 weeks to kick), and 1 1/2 weeks since you changed to a different brand seems kinda short for all that Test to disappear. Blood test will hold a lot more weight.
i hear ya bro but i think you are off by a little as to your time frame. Test E half life is about 10 to 14 days so that says exactly 1 and a half to 2 weeks after the switch the old test e would be wearing off. I have chosen not to do my blood tests until i am done with this cycle as it seems to have corrected itself by switching back and hitting that prop. SO as much as i hate to bash somebody without having a test i am going to review and write my situation and let people draw their own conclusion, as i am convinced it had to be under dosed or some other fault with the product. i cant imagine the timing and then felling better after hitting the prop heavy being coincidences. i will stay on track instead since the switch seems to have corrected the issue. i cant afford to stay on it and hope its something other than under dosed that caused my sides to occur. not when the prop fixed me right up. i do appreciate your input though bro, thanks.
Lets go with a 10 day half life. After 10 weeks @ 500mg /week your blood levels would have peaked, and you would have 500mg available to your body over the first half life plus any natty Test your body produced, 250mg would be available in the 2nd half live, and 125mg in the 3rd half life, plus natty Test production. If I read your OP correctly your saying that it feels like all your Test has disappeared in the first half life, it may be possible that the original TestE you were using was something like Test PhenylProp (which has a 4 1/2 day half life) and the second type of TestE you took is real TestE and needs time to kick.
There are just to many variables to jump to any real conclusions.
Would a spike in your estrogene levels be a possible cause??
dont know, was hoping some of the vets would chime in and give me some insight as to opinion, but if that was the case why would it level out when i hit 3 days of prop and switched back to other brand?
Blood test would answer a lot of question and keep us all from playing Doctor on the internet. :-(
good point but no good now that i switched back and am all good. im gonna chalk it up as having gotten some bad gear and write the appropriate review. the source has read this im sure and has not chimed in, and i know he knows its his stuff based on timing of switch and our communication about cycle.
wow i am surprised no one has offered an opinion on this. thanks for yours builder.
Yeah bro I was also surprised no one had any input.
Sounds like the shit you swith to was bunk or under dosed.