Low DHT Despite Androgens – Need Advice on Proviron & Masteron Adjustment
Hello respected Eroids members,
Hope you're all doing great.
Since May 3, I've been running the following cutting protocol:
Testosterone Propionate – 350 mg/week (125 mg Mon, 125 mg Thu, 100 mg Sat)
Masteron Enanthate – 400 mg/week (200 mg Mon, 200 mg Thu)
Winstrol (oral) – 40 mg/day (discontinued on May 24)
The process feels okay, but honestly, I still don't look or feel like I’m “on cycle.” There's no real “wow effect.” I know patience is key, but something feels off.
I did bloodwork 50.5 hours after my last Test Prop 100 mg injection, and here's the key concern:
DHT (Dihydrotestosterone): 0.35 µg/L (range: 0.112 – 0.955)
E2 is low at 10.43 ng/L (range: 15 – 56)
SHBG is low at 11.1 nmol/L (range: 18.3 – 54.1)
Free T is high (89.64 ng/L) and Total T is also elevated (9.71 µg/L)
Liver values slightly elevated: AST: 46.3, ALT: 39.8
Despite using DHT-derived compounds (Mast E + Winstrol), my DHT is on the lower side of the range, which I find unusual. Today (May 24) I introduced Proviron at 50 mg/day. My diet is clean:
Macros: ~2200 kcal/day
Protein: 180–200g
Carbs: 150–200g (sometimes lower or even zero-carb days)
Fat: ~50g
I’m 170 cm, 72 kg – holding stubborn fat around the lower abs and waist. As of today, I've dropped Winstrol due to some bloat and switched to Anavar 40 mg/day for the next 3–4 weeks.
Here’s where I need your help:
Will 50 mg/day Proviron be enough to raise DHT and achieve that dry, hard look?
If there's no visual or physical response, is it logical to increase to 75 mg Proviron + 600 mg Masteron Enanthate?
Is that a solid protocol for boosting DHT-mediated effects, or would you suggest another path to improve dryness, hardness, and vascularity?
TL;DR:
On cycle, not feeling like it.
Bloods show low-normal DHT despite Masteron + Winstrol.
Proviron added. Want to know if bumping doses is the right move to dial in aesthetics.
Appreciate all guidance. Respect to the community.
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Pinning is crappy. Prop is gone in 48hrs. Eod means EOD nonstop. Looks poorly planned too. Mast e isnt really kicking til week 4. Why add dht when its so low that id guess its fake. Winny makes me hyper so im thinking stop your 'cycle' and do it right in a few weeks properly
EDIT....Your stats put you at 135lbs lean. Stop....
Test dose is low and masteron is lowering estrogen and the winstrol is probably making you tired taking away the wow effect that you are expecting. Try just testosterone for a bit and at a higher dose. To me it doesn't seem like rocket science, just try something else. If something isnt working then STOP and try something else, not throw more in the mix.
I bet you feel off your DHT is low, your Estrogen is low, your SHBG is low. Adding in Proviron right now is a bad move. Stop taking all orals. Start pinning your Test Prop EOD. Lower Mast a bit. Add in DHT cream or gel (right to the shaft and balls and shoulders). Become a man again. Ride off into the sunset on a horse with both your girls on the back.
While mast and proviron are DHT derived, DHT only comes from test 5-alpha reducing into DHT. If I were you I would increase test, and if you want reduce mast. That will get you more DHT, and also E2 which was a bit low. IMO drop the proviron completely, it's very mildly anabolic and nukes your SHBG.
jellyjuiceMy goal is to increase DHT levels, so I really appreciate your input. However, I think there are a few nuances that need to be considered based on individual context:
Yes, DHT is mainly produced via 5-alpha reduction of free testosterone, so increasing test can lead to more DHT — assuming 5AR activity is sufficient. But this also depends on SHBG levels, E2 balance, and individual enzymatic response.
Proviron may not directly raise serum DHT, but it reduces SHBG, which increases free testosterone. This can indirectly boost the substrate available for DHT conversion. Plus, it has a strong binding affinity to androgen receptors and offers anti-estrogenic benefits without suppressing natural testosterone.
Saying Proviron is “mildly anabolic” is true, but that doesn’t mean it’s useless — especially for someone aiming for a dry, hard, vascular physique with improved libido and mental clarity. In low DHT or high SHBG scenarios, it can still be a powerful tool.
Regarding Mast: While it doesn’t convert into DHT either, it acts as a DHT-derived compound and has anti-estrogenic effects. Reducing Mast to allow more E2 is context-dependent. In my case, E2 was low possibly due to Boldenone’s known aromatase antagonism. That’s something I’m adjusting already.
Simply increasing Test while dropping Proviron might increase E2 more than desired, and could lead to water retention or mood instability unless managed with an AI or DHT modulator.
In short, I see your point about letting test convert naturally into DHT, but I think Proviron still has a role in manipulating SHBG and enhancing free androgen availability. I might lower Mast slightly, adjust Test, and continue monitoring E2/DHT ratios along the way.
If you had high SHBG the proviron would be a good addition. But I'm your case your SHBG is quite low. Also since Your E2 is also very low it's counterproductive. How lean are you? Your not going to need to get auper dry unless you are very lean. Focus first on cutting the fat and keeping E2 in range, you shouldn't have issues holding excess water at 25-35 pg/ml E2. If increasing test doesn't raise DHT, I would definitely look into a DHT cream.