How should i continue or discontinue hcg/pct
Hey whatsp guys, sorry if this questions been asked which im sure but as time changes i know so does science and answers.
Ill be running a cycle of 12-14 weeks of test c and proviron. My last 3 cycles i ran hcg after i discontinued test.
I wanted to run hcg during this cycle at 250mg e3-4d and my my question is about if i did do this how would my last 2 weeks look after i discontinue, would i increase from 250mg e2-3d to 1000mg ed. What would be a recommended protocol?
Also if im using hcg during cycle will this effect my dosage of clomid and nolvadex, would i take less initially and ride it out with a smaller dose of both or would i still take a 100/40ed for 2-3w and then drop down to 40/20ed 2-3w.
Much appreciate any thoughts and opinions.
Thanks
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I personally don't think HCG is warranted for just a test/provi cycle but on cycle if you want to use HCG you should aim for 250iu 3x/wk. May have to bump up to 500iu 3x. Judge if needed to increase by atrophy. Watch your estro. You do not start HCG at the beginning of cycle since you still have natty test flowing and no atrophy. Can lead to desensitization if taken to early. You wait until a month or so into cycle when atrophy may start to occur. If you are going to use the HCG during your cycle, then just continue that dose up to PCT and stop. You don't bump the dose up at end of cycle. You are combining two different protocols. Pick one or the other but not both. Nolva/clomid dose isn't going to change with HCG use.
GorillaNutsThanks for your reply @Makwa
From a post i read in another forum about this specific topic, tho was 9 years old.
Made the point that ""Studies have shown that the issue of recovery is not due to low levels or LH, but due to desensitization of the leydig cells"". Which led me to think that by keeping the testes awake the whole cycle just not getting any signals from the hypothalamus and pituitary would a person recover that much faster and smoother.
Being as its 9 years old post i wasnt sure how accurate this would be in current times. But it sounded good and made sence to me. Which is the reason i wanted to get some feedback from the rest of the forum. (maybe i should of included this in my original post)
But this still poses the thought in my mind that because the tests will stay awake i wouldnt need the higher dose of hcg once i discontinue any test and proviron.
@Nattyboomba said e2-3 days would be better which actually makes sence since half life is 24-36 hours.
I would assume everything one takes works in sync with one another, and is dose dependant.
Since i wouldnt be taking huge amounts of test or proviron this would be a light cycle ( correct me if im wrong) And might not require the protocol you are suggesting of 250iu-500iu 3x a week.
Based on what i said id like to know what yout think @Makwa aswell as the rest of the forum.
GorillaNutsGot it. ill be running:
Week 1-14 test c at 250mg x2 ew
proviron 100mg ed
And running 250 mg hcg e3-4 days ( I understand @Nattyboomba and will keep that under consideration, Will like to hear more feedback from the forum.
Then when discontinuing id run 1000mg hcg ed, but maybe i should do 500 ed for 10 days ?? Just wondering if taking it during cycle will reduce the need for the higher dose after??
And lastly for pct will be doing a 100/40 ed split of clomid/nolva for 2-3 w and taper down to 40/20 ed for another 2-3 w.
Couple things my man. Your aren’t specific with your dosing protocol for hcg here (250mg e2-3 days or e3-4 days?). Not a huge discrepancy, but I would keep your dosing schedule tight to keep plasma levels as steady as you can. Everything about your body craves balance. That being said, I’d suggest you keep the same hcg dosing protocol up until the day you begin pct, when you would cease using hcg altogether. Second, PCT doesn’t change due to hcg.
Not an HCG guy, got enough kids. But i like the proviron added. You dont explain how much test or proviron you are taking which im sure is key to answer your question. Unless im reading wrong but be a little more specific and you can get more exact answers to your case. But id definitely keep the 100mg/40 first 2 weeks and 50mg/20mg last 2 weeks regardless. But i do know you want to take the HCG in between last shot and start of PCT not during PCT. Dosages like i said i cant help you because its not my thing.
He definitely does NOT want to do that