posted Thu, 10/24/2013 - 13:32
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How many years of lifting before first cycle
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I'm 46 and about two years into lifting. At 5-11 180lbs and 15% bf I feel like I've exhausted all the noob gains and am probably 20 pounds of lean mass away from my natural limit. My progress has slowed way down, but I'm still progressing. My sq/dl/bp is 220/350/220. I'm wondering if it's about time to jump on the cycle or if I should continue natty. My goal is to be a whole lot stronger, 195 lbs and 15%. Will doing a cycle get me to my goal physique much faster, or is cycling mainly just for exceeding your natural limits. Thanks for any input.
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I've been bulking for about 5 years straight, about a week into my first cutter.
Never got much over 15% bf and currently at 210#
gonna see if I actually have any abs
Wow 3 years.
3 year update...
I did the steroids, loved every minute of it.
RustyhookerYou did the research too so you didn't get burned.
well im 23.. nearly 24 and i blew my natty limits away years ago............ ive done it all man and some folks say i look 53 but i blame that on running high doses of creatine monohydrate year round without taking a break and allowing creatinine to fuck me up...... looking older and being massive does allow me to pull some real cougars though!... so would i change anything... NO.
I am on CRT now (creatine replacement therapy) so things are not too bad, i just get bouts of "creatine dick" now and then.... ok bro gotta go theres a cougar knocking at the door that needs servicing ... EDIT.. make that two............ happy days!!
fuck, i'm old and on that there creatine. no wonder i got them wrinkles.
LMAO
i fkn looooove putting a smile on your face bro.... especially after youve had a hard day dealing with beggars and free loaders... lol
Spit my juice on CRT LOLOL
Im 51.. still have not done one.
I trained for 19yrs before taking any aas. I got up to a 345lb bench 1 rep max. I was 45 when I started my 1st cycle. I hit 405 on the bench press on my last cycle.
Keep training without the drugs until you've plateaued and cant make progress without the drugs IMO.
At 46 get bloods and then look at a light test run. It isn't even about the weights at 46 as much as the overall feeling. You young guys won't understand that, yet.
Yea, I need to see where my base line is. Looking forwrd to that hi test feel
Cycled 7-8 years before ever touching a weight!
:-) haha!!!
He's a funny guy like how? Is he here to amuse you? WTF is so funny about Nitti?
BTW, I am kidding that is an adaptation of Goodfella's.
When I started reading this I thought "oh crap, what have I unintentially started."
If I had to say: funny haha.
What like I'm a clown? Huh? I amuse you? Tell me how I'm funny!
I was waiting for some of the comments up this one. I guess they get it. I didn't lift weight as a boxer. I cycled aas tho'
You are amusing at times, but usully freightening.
I did think the comment was very funny, but I had forgotten you used to box. Makes sense.
I wasn't even trying to be funny. :-D
I always say average should be 5 years solid in the gym naturally, however everyone is diverse, not only physically but mentally and you have to factor in so many aspects and variables it is impossible to give a number without knowing everything about someone. So instead, let's do a checklist;
have you educated yourself with the basic knowledge of doing a cycle and do you know about juicing?
Are you healthy or at least healthy enough so that juicing would not interrupt any health concerns
Are you steady in a gym routine or do you go regularly
Do you feel you are within 20 % of natural limitation?
Judging by your post I would say you are ready and if you follow Gregs advice below you are groving
Four years, and by then my gains were stagnant to nonexistent. Gears great if used responsibly.
valhallas bestyou better come up with some excuses when you start rocking your wifes world
ha, looking forward to it.
V you finally put up a profile pick my ninja.
You guys have all been very helpful, I really appreciate the advice and shared knowledge.. When I pull the trigger on my first cycle I will do it with the help from eroids
I think the info below covers most of it. One thing I would add because of your age get a full blood work panel. Anabolic steroids can lower your good cholesterol so it is important to see where your are at as well as a RBC because those will also get raised.
noted.
I've gotten bloodwork done the last couple years for general health. My LDL and Serum Cholesterol are a little high, but my doc had no concerns about the levels.
This is all excellent advice from guys who are close to or are your age and they are noted in the community for the integrity and experience. Read, Read , Read and learn as much as possible before you start. Also check out the 40 and over room there is a ton of info there. Good Luck!
BigBmajSure is nice to see someone fully considering things prior to lift off.
I wish you luck with any option you choose.
Like Robb said below, your time has come. If you truly know how to eat and how to train, safe and appropriate chemical enhancement will be a life changer for you. Greg beat me to it - you might start with some blood work - get a picture of your overall health - lipids, etc. etc. and check that testosterone and estradiol level. At 46 the sun is setting on your T-level and that estrogen level may be rising. Not what you want for success at the gym.
Sounds like my story. I made great gains the first two or three years of lifting but started to plateau.
I started researching steroids and jumped in about a year later.
I would get your test levels checked so you have a "baseline". IMO, it's a good thing to know what your natural test level is.
Get your diet in order; meal schedules etc., just eating less more often can up your metabolism and increase your natural test levels. Your diet should become your lifestyle. not a "fad diet" you do when you're on cycle.
If or when you do start a cycle keep it simple. Personally I keep an eye on the marathon, not the sprint. As far as I'm concerned if my levels of test are equal to a 20 year olds natural levels I'm happy. It has helped me keep my doses low, and the cycles simple (not some sort of convoluted stack).
Personally, I wanted to recomp my body (more muscle, less fat, same weight) what I found and value more is that my quality of life has improved; more energy, and better labido.
...I can also eat more and not gain weight. Before if I looked at food I'd gain a pound. ;-)
I am 40 and started my first cycle after 4 years of steady lifting. No regrets bro.
that is reassuring to hear.
thanks
If you have been committed to lifting for the past 2 years at your age i think you should start considering it.. i highly recommend you to focus on your diet.... try to get it perfect.. if your diet is on point your gains will be unbelievable..
I've got what I consider to be a good diet, I make sure I eat lots of protein, and eat enough to maintain my 15% BF. If I back off on eating, the pounds fall off quickly. If I bulk extra heavy, I get up to 16 or 17 % BF.
I also live at high altitude, it seems to change peoples metabolism. The only chubby people in my town are tourists or newbies, lol.
Is diet really any more complicated than eating at or above maintenance calories, plus getting 1 gm protein per pound of lean mass?
To be honest diet will be the main factor of how successful you first cycle will be.. is it complicated ? not really.. there is a lot of info on dieting to gain or loose weight.. but its mostly all about carbs.. if you need a diet plan i can help you out.. fr me we can go into more details
Your time has come, get sum test in you bro!
We are about the same age but I started training when I was 16 and did my first cycle about 10 years later. +/- a year or so. If you were in your teens or 20s I'd say you'd still have a lot of potential without gear. Being in your mid 40s you still have potential but not as much and results will come a lot more slowly. You didn't talk about your routine or diet so I will have to take your word that you train hard and eat right.
Based upon your goals, I'd say a TRT dose would probably get you there. Also, I wouldn't so much focus on "getting a whole lot stronger" as much as training hard and correctly. You start trying to push big weights at our age without years of building up supporting tendon strength and you are probably looking at an injury.
Again, 2 years training is a really short time so do your research and take your time.
Thanks for the input! I'll be sure to keep my age in mind when trying to go heavy. 2 years is not that long for building stronger tendons and ligaments
When you say a TRT dose would get me there, are you suggesting that a cycle at 250mg test per week would be a good first cycle? would a topical gel get me the results I want? I'm thinking if I go ahead and get the balls to pin I'll probably want to do the standard 500 mg. I would love to be able to get results from something like androgel, but that does not appear to be possible..
No way gel is going to do it for you. Not a big fan of it anyway. Expensive and if you have any women or children in the house just not worth the risk of exposing them to it. Yes, 250 will probably get you there and I'd say 500 would for sure.
As far as injury prevention goes, what strategies are out there for 40somethings like myself? I'm really fond of Lyle Mcdonalds Generic bulk routine, using a rep range of 6-12 for most lifts. Should I avoid going to failure, or avoid heavy weight low rep workouts? I would hate to jump into a cycle and hurt myself right off the bat.
That's out of my league. I used to train really heavy and slow now I train fast, volume and moderate weights. Haven't read a mag or article on routines in 20 years as I just listen to my body. If I feel pain I stop and if I feel fatigue I take a day off but that rarely happens. Lol
At your age when you start taking "Test" you will feel 100% different ! I would keep learning and reading !! It's just a whole different level !! You'll be hooked for life !!