posted Thu, 03/07/2013 - 23:35
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Hey guys,
I finished an 8 week prop cycle (first ever cycle) and pct of nolva 40/40/20/20.
I had a little bit of puffy nips before and during cycle but as soon as nolva came in it went straight away which is awesome.
However...i now have absolutely no feeling in them. I am also experiencing quite a low libido, and noticing a bit more pimples on the body (but not the face..)
I lost just 1kg during pct. Im 1 week over pct and have put on an extra .5kg (consider myself to diet well).
What does all this mean?
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You did not run a AI. You should have used clomid on PCT. I would bet your estrogen level is high right now. What does your blood work say?
Forgot to add..
I did use Adex for the first 4 weeks, however thought it hindered my gains a bit. I was doing .25mg EOD for 3 weeks then .125mg EOD for the last week before getting rid of it.
Was it a bad idea to get rid of it during cycle?
Still have a fair bit of adex left.
Havent got blood work done yet and will get it done soon. Just wanted to see what you guys thought of it
crazy idea to take adex and then just stop. I am sure that was the cause of your gyno.I would get blood work tomorrow if my sex drive was gone. You could either have very high estrogen or your test levels are very low. I would guess its just your test levels but I am not a blood test.
X2 ^^^^
adex and letro fall under the same class of inhibitors, which form a reversible bond with the aromatase enzyme. what this means is that when either the AI wears off or is discontinued, the bound enzymes are released to start converting test to estro. as a result, you can very easily wind up with an estro spike - aka e2 rebound. make sense?
future reference, run aromasin as your AI. it forms an irreversible bond with the enzyme. it also will free up globulin-bound circulating test, so it increases free test.
controlling test:e2 conversion will never hinder your gains, brother. it's all about balance and stability. if you let one aspect go uncontrolled, you're opening yourself up to issues.
Yeah im pretty much an idiot. Thought i had it covered, i suppose ill learn from it,
The guy who sold me the gear/nolva/adex told me not to take too much adex or it will affect my gains; i hadnt seen the results expected (it was only .25mg EOD as well) so he told me to stop and see what happens, so i did.
I should have done research on it before listening to him, but i trusted him.
Is there anything i can try in the meantime?
So taking adex i still have left would do shit all/maybe even make it worse?
HCGenerate do anything? (Cant get my hands on HCG and my supplier has stopped so cant get anymore nolva or clomid domestically)
Learn from mistakes and hope you did not screw anything up to bad. You should go to the forum section of this site and read the shit out of it. I would read every fucking sticky there is. Start in the general section.
Thanks mate will do.
I was thinking...if it was high estro, wouldnt i have itchy nips/gyno?
I have the complete opposite of that (they havent been this flat in my life) and hardly any feeling.
So im guessing low test
no, bro. i made way worse mistakes on my first cycle. shit happens.. it's all about planning.
you can still take your adex with your next cycle if you wanna finish it off, but be sure to have legit aromasin to bridge with when you run out of adex. this way your e2 doesn't spike on you. adex is a great AI, but it can cause rebound. for this reason, it's usually recommended to taper the adex and run aromasin leading into pct to avoid that rebound effect. future reference, just run aromasin.
as far as future gains go, it's a matter of a balanced diet, training regimen, and the right stack for your goals. being your second cycle, there's really only so much you can work with. but it still depends on what your goals are.
maintaining those gains post cycle are also gonna be dependent on diet, training, and proper pct. this is a time when your body becomes more catabolic than it was on-cycle. so, the cardio can waste your shit away. diet needs to be adhered to, of course, and duration and intensity of strength training should be less. in a sense, you need to switch to maintenance mode.
as for your hcg question... hcg is mainly gonna contribute by preventing testicular atrophy during longer cycles. you can run it on shorter cycles if you want, but keep in mind that hcg does raise e2 levels. therefore, your AI aspects become more pronounced. the choice is yours. i run it all the time. even during my cruises. my hrt specialist prescribes this to prevent shrinkage.
Yeah thats fair. cant exactly get it done tomorrow (away for couple days on holidays) but will get it done asap.
My sex drive isnt completely gone....
I can get it up (takes a fair bit longer than usual though) and do get in the mood but its no where near what it is or was on cycle. Even during pct it was normal. My missus doesnt like it too much haha.
I ordered HCGenerate 2 weeks ago just in case, thought it might help?
Its coming internationally though so hoping customs dont take it.