+ 6 HCG- the most important compound
I, like a lot of aas users, especially new and novices started cycles, ran several things, played with way high test levels and dosages, but i was dumb and uneducated, there was one thing i always lacked-HCG...When dealing with such a marvelous functioning wonder that is your body and delicate hormonal/endocrine system you have to know basic things. Simple, if you use endogenous doses of testosterone in lieu of your own production you will result in shutdown. This is common knowledge to all the vets and big homies and i'm in my thirties now and still so far from getting it right. I like to educate myself through trial and error rational thinking and others like fellow eroiders advice and experiences. That being said, i want to share how important HCG is, it's as important as any anti aromatose inhibitor and even as important as the gear itself, because in order to gain, you have to take breaks, your body will get used to compounds and receptors just won't respond anymore, no matter what the dosage is! I never did this early on, i never came off and the whole blast and cruise thing is stupid to me, outside of returning to a low TRT test dosage on your cruise i think it's dangerous and dumb. I even shutdown when i was young running pro hormones and as some of us older dudes know ten years ago there were some bomb ass ones that were as potent as any steroid, that's what they were. So when you come off your cycle, i feel HCG is the most crucial component in not only restarting your own production, along with nolva, clomid etc, but in restoring testicular function, not just size. Most of us don't care about ball size, but one thing that can be dangerous and problematic is the testicular shutdown and atrophy that gear causes, and in order to take that break and level out cholesterol bp and hematocrit levels triglycerides etc you have to help your body restore it's own production, you don't wanna feel like shit and fall into the red zone of way low test and high estrogen, you will hate life. The first time i dosed and applied HCG, there was a huge libido spike and just sense of well being!! it was better than when i first started test lol so noticeable and quick. Why didn't i use this every cycle and maybe i wouldn't of been so shutdown and on the road to a lifetime of TRT therapy, I was stupid, and i want to help some of these young guys new to juice, be safe and smart and if your gonna buy a ton of gear we can't stop you lol but please do your research and as much as you spend in compounds spend on pct items!!This post is getting lengthy so i won't detail HCG protocols, they are easy to find online, but if you want to help KEEP YOUR GAINS while off cycle take full advantage of this miracle compound and keep your body healthy and avoid dangerous things like atrophy, prostate enlargement(this an article of it's own lol) and permanent shutdown. Thanks my brothers for anyone who took the time to read this post and please help me and inform me on any info in your experiences or anything you'd like to add or debate, like iron sharpens iron, let's help each other get to that next level and achieve our goals.!!
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the crap gives me gyno any ideas how to avoid that?
shiningstarYeah dude this is something I really noticed too and I should of put as one of the drawbacks, i take letrozole during cycle it really helps, but just nolvadex in your pct should be fine at helping estro from hcg I found a slow taper toward pct with arimidex is great too.
I cant comment its something i have never used, but thanks for the write up.
bbondsGreat post brother shining star can you or anyone with good knowledge on where to get legit hcg and also best way to dose or use this med it would be greatly appreciated, thanks guys. I know I could Google it but want people who have actually know best protocol with dosing and such.
RustyhookerLlewellyn the famous phd.
What's your goal bro, just keeping them functioning or coming off for a while and just using hcg. I've used a lot and can recommend dosage based on what your goal is.
bbondsOK cool my friend I will pm asap.
Paragraph breaks would make this far easier to read.
HCG on cycle is controversial. Like anything, it is NOT a wonder drug and has serious side effects for many people. At best, use on cycle increases other hormones produced by your testicles, such as pregnenolone, the cause of the improved sense of well-being, and allows clomid to work faster upon cessation of exogenous AAS drugs.
It tends to greatly raise estrogen in many people, requiring yet another drug like an AI to be used. Serious headaches are also common.
Personally, I do like to use it before the start of clomid and nolva, and haven't found it makes a difference using it on cycle.
hcg during trt treatment is often medically overlooked and highly effective. The continued depletion of lh and fsh can take a toll sexually, and possibly in other ways. To a point where testosterone treatment alone is sexually ineffective.
On a side note, and way off subject, low prolactin is way too commonly overlooked as the true cause for low testosterone levels and lack of libido. But hcg can definitely have some benefit on even extended cycles.
So hcg on trt is common?
its becoming more commonplace. The truth is most general practitioners have less knowledge than what is here on eroids.
A lot of people on trt talk about how sexual drive isn't the same as it was prior to trt. This is typically due to prolonged crashing of lh and fsh.
The average practitioner is going to look at test levels and say the patient is fine if they're complaining of lack of libido or function. They'll blame it on anxiety or external circumstances, collect the premium and send the patient out the door.
bigmurphI have known hcg is great and should be used in my opinion but i have been looking into triptorelin and basically the non pharma grade have not heard good things about but pharma grade is supposed to be a new miracle pct. Imagine running hcg on cycle so you don't completely shut down then 3wks after last pin shoot one shot of pharma triptorelin at 100mcg and thats it you are good to go some members are experimenting with it now we should have solid blood work proof in a month or 2 so we will update
shiningstarawesome bro, stoked so see how the bloods update will turnout
bigmurphOne more pin and my boy takes the pharma grade trip then we wait and post the bloods
My boy who used peptide got his bloods yesterday so we are just waiting on results
It's not 2011. Triptorelin is a useless compound that appeared in one medical journal as an anecdote. It has never been tested in any controlled environment, and acquisition is difficult to impossible for most people.
There isn't anything to "look into" regarding triptorelin. It's bro science and snake oil from "research chemical" sites.
At best, it is a last resort for someone who has tried both hcg and hmg before an extended clomid cycle of up to 6 months. It's what you use when TRT is the last remaining option.
bigmurphWe have gotten pharmaceutical grade he has one pin left then he waits 3 weeks and gets his bloods a wk later and we will then be able to say garbage or the best thing out there
I to have not much hope in the peptide trip but the pharma we got from a legit pharmaceutical company could really work i have faith that its going to work and you would be surprised how easy it was too get the pharma as long as you're in uk
Mixing some up tonight as my boys need to wake up.
shiningstarsweet me too got some pregnyl organon amps
Same.
WhoremoanssssI definitely need to start incorporating HCG in my cycles. Longevity is the game and we all need to make a point to take care of ourselves. Keep the endocrine system running well! Good post.
shiningstarthanks bro
If hcg impresses you, go look at hmg. You'll bust a nut! I'm running a trial on it my next cycle. Doing a 14 day protocol of 75 iu for 2 weeks after last pin. I may also be adding it in my cycle the last 5 weeks dosed at 75 iu twice a week. Still researching that part however.
HMG is far more expensive than HCG. There is no evidence it does anything besides increase sperm production. For the typical AAS user, it's what you use when you want to have a kid.
If the typical Sally restart protocol doesn't work, then perhaps HMG can be attempted, but I have heard of few stories and no studies that show it is effective when HCG is not.
Certainly, it shouldn't be used instead of HCG except by someone with money to burn.
Agreed. Well for the money it's really not that much. I can't talk prices but I can get pharma for the whole 14 day protocol for less than a 1 vial of primo. And yes. Def to be used in conjunction with HCG. That's why I am going to use it like I said in the above post. After being shutdown for as long as I have been die to exogenous use. Bloods take at 2,4,6,8,10 weeks past last pin will be evidence that hmg either works or it doesn't. As you said there are little to no reports of HmG use to restart besides the ones regarding fertility and several other forums of people experience. I found one article that is solely for the use of restart but I'll have to locate it. Bloods won't lie, so that's why in going to use this as a test to see what comes of it. If it's works, we may be in a new era where being shitdown can be cut in half or eradicated completely, if not, it is what it is, but it's worth a shot for less than a couple hundred.
shiningstarnice thanks i'll check it out
It's ideal brother. Run in conjunction with hcg. It stimulates both FSH and Lh.
Do you have any science to back that up? Send it to me bro. I'm interested. I was under the impression it would do the opposite.
I do. I'll have to find some of the articles. A lot of them are in regards to male fertility and spermogenesis. The article basically describes how a large number of Man who suffer from infertility in regards to where they screwed there HPTA up were able to gain full functioning of spermogenesis, LH, and FSH on the treatment of HMG 75iu a day. I can't remember if it went into further detail about after the stopping of HMG, so I'm gonna have to take another look at the article but that was the best when I found that was a medical journal report. There were about five or six other ones I just really haven't got to reading all of them yet because they're very lengthy. But there is definitely a large increase in HPTA functioning. I'll pm you them when o get a chance. If I forget remind me in a day or two. I'm at work now and can't really take the time to find them.
I also will be mentioning when I do my test on it coming up here after my spring cycle, that I have been on TRT for about a year and a half to two years at the point where I'll be coming off and I have done blast in between those. Yes I'm young but if you see some of my other post there's a reason I am on TRT at such young age due to the medication I am taking. i'm hoping by the time that my spring cycle ends I will be off this medication, therefore be able to do a full PCT including HMG with bloodwork at different segment weeks to see if it's actually working and how does have a purpos i'm hoping by the time that my spring cycle ends I will be off this medication, therefore be able to do a full PCT including HMG with bloodwork at different segment and weeks to see if it's actually workong.
shiningstarhey bro, i gotta thank you again man all the info on hmg was awesome and something i new nothing about so props to you for educating and making a rad contribution!
shiningstaryeah sweet i'm reading about it now! good info!
I don't know if HCG is the most important compound.
I say the most important compound is diet....
shiningstardiet is a regime not a compound, but absolutely i agree diet is what gets results from compounds
I clearly understand what you're saying now and agree to be honest with you I didn't read your entire post up top. I was thinking that you were trying to imply that HCG is what gives the best results. Maybe next time I should read the entire post before opening up my trap. ;)
shiningstarall good thanks bro I value your response and opinion.
IMO, "HCG- the most important compound" might be a bit of a stretch.
shiningstarperhaps a stretch, but i can't think of any other compound that actually restarts your body's own testosterone so yes IMO it's pretty important and in a field all it's own.
X2. Couldn't read it anyway. Too long and just a big block of type.
shiningstari'm sorry you feel that way, i thanked anyone for reading it at the end, i'm a boxer and have horrible carpel tunnel from fighting so i just crammed it together i don't have a computer background lol take care brother
You don't know how to use an enter key to start a new paragraph? But are using possibly dangerous pharmaceutical drugs that require a fair amount of intelligence to use safely and correctly?
Who are you to speak down to, or question someone in a parenting tone? Questioning someones intelligence, whom which you havent taken the time, except the 5 minutes in this thread to make your obnoxious posts, to even know who you're talking to. I know exactly who I'm talking to right now...an asshole. And your assnine posts are more loud than the ones actually containing info and those are which stand out...so yea Im negging you...be proud, I hardly have ever negged but for you...I'll make an exception.
Treat the people here with respect and you might be heard....
Rant over...
So you're saying his name is premature?
You're right, the yellow is all that need be said Greg. Just got under my skin. So premature it could of used about another month in the womb lol...knuckles brother
shiningstarI made a post for whomever finds it beneficial if you're the grammar police maybe my post isn't for you so with all respect piss off.
RustyhookerDude has carpal but your wisdom is that he's an idiot? Former is an understatement.
shiningstarI know brother rusty man some people spend more effort being a Dick than I did to write the post i hardly think he would be so forthcoming to me in person but whatever Im here to learn not talk crap on another mans opinion
RustyhookerEveryone responds differently and you talked from your experience. Thats just good stuff!
Read your entire post and I think your enthusiasm is in the right place. I enjoyed it. It was real "experience". Not just regurgitaded monotone script.
Respect for handling yourself on the up and up while shit was being slung your way for no reason...knuckles brother!
shiningstarthank you brother bolt! you know it's hard to handle things in this world of social media, i have a feeling brothers like you and i use a different approach when handling pointless disrespect, ultimately it was spot on what you said it clogs and waste space when good people are trying to learn, what brother happinessgains said about hmg was awesome and something i knew nothing about, i continue to learn here it really helps me and i have the utmost respect for vet members like yourself and nothing but love and respect sent to you and yours!
Amen brother! There is always a gem of info buried to learn from here. Shoot, in everyday life as well. I prefer a positive learning environment as you do, as well as most of the guys and gals that call this sight home. See ya in the forums brother!