+ 13 HARD SHUT DOWN
real quickly wanted to address the "hard shut down" term that is used so frequently. I just saw someone advising another that deca is a "hard shutdown". See that quite often and I also see many people who had a horrible experience with deca and say "never again". So I will quickly adress the topic and in fact it will apply to all 19's as to this "hard shut down".
We recently saw a sries of posts related to quality wood being gone following even pct of a cycle with a 19 in the mix. People always think "wow, that was a ard shutdown, not runnig that again". So I'll give my take on it and anyone please feel free to agree or disagree.
I prefer to refer to it as "a different type of shutdown" so as not to confuse. To just call it a hard shutdown might lead one to think there is no recourse other than time and in doing so not even explore the possibility that maybe the shutdown was different than normal and there might be a solution. In one recent scenerio we talked to an individual who had gone through pct following a cycle with deca and even a couple weeks post pct he had poor wood quality. So in talking with him we came up with wha I assumed might help and in just 3 days of caber use the quality had returned. So he may still have some ups and downs, no pun intended, but the pioint is he very quickly began to fix an issue. The point of that was that his shutdown was different than a test shutdown. And there were more aspects of the shutdown given the deca use.
I know many of you think "caber on hand". That may actually be old school thinking because lets think about whats going on. When you use a 19 if you are like me, sex is insane first few weeks lets say on a short such as npp or Ace. If you're like myslef and many others you may begin to experience shroom sensitivity around week 4 and for some that could mean deca D*ck and for others like me that means just can't get off. Well, not unless you go tour de france and ride that bike like a wildman for a solid hr! The hour is fine unless the bike is being peddled as fast as you can peddle the enire hour to make sure you get to the finish line. So by this point in cycle and unattended to the end especially one could say, I'm in a hard shutdown. What is actually going on is yes , you are shutdown but now you have a secondary component effecting the shutdown. Now you have a prolactin stimulation occurring at the pituitary. That by itself can be an issue with sex drive so couple that with a hard shut down as you come off cycle and crash and you can see poor sex quality for weeks.
You think "I'll just rock this pct and soon enougbh as test comes back my drive comes with it. For some yes for other no.
In the grand scale of male hormone prolactin is not hugely significant in raw numbers, however, the change of that small number can still have a mega impact on the sex drive. We're not even fully sure of why and not fully sure or understanding of its total impact but it can be great.. so heres my thought on the issue of "hard shutdown". Prolactin took this minor change during the 19 and that minor change was great enough to destroy the drive. Then given the small significance as it were by compoarision to other hormone the bodies respoces through pos/neg feedback loop were so small to the issue given the small significance of prolactin that it was not prompted to necessarily e
return to "normals" real quick like. Lets say its significance is so small in the grand scheme of things that the body even gads a range in which it deems "normal" and even though you may be in that "range" you are still too high in prol?actin to spur the necessary mechanisms tol bring back the wood in proper.
Think about how even off cycle you have heard of people using caber as a sex drug to lower prolactin even lower than the norm range and create crazy wood and orgasms. Think about how this tiny change helps and then wonder, did I really have a "hard shutdown" or was I simply shutdown in a way I didn't understand?
This is sort of a way of explaining this in terms we can all understand I hope because the science behind it is much more complex than a prolactin issue when we get down to it, but, this is plenty without getting overlycomplicated to kind of understand the issue as to sex drive in the 19 run.
Its this for me, shutdown is shutdown so not only is it healthier IMO to low dose caber through a 19 ride, it is smart and helps the sex drive side effect. Anything we do to prevent sides is healthy if you think about it. We drink a lot of water, we lower salt, we do cardio, we eat right, we run an AI. All of these things to prevnt sides givn sides mean "unhealthy roll" so why would you not prevent the side of prolctin overage? You don't have to be breast feeding kittens to need caber, maybe such as I the effect to prolactin is minimal and ou have never had leaky nips but that does not mean thre was no effect. We can debate shutdown and hard shutdown all you like but I promise, if you low dose caber in your 19"s you will have a cl?eaner run and if all else such as AI and all the above is dialed in, the sex stays good the whole roll. Opinions welcome and my point here maybe is hta deca has a bad rep for many only because those many did it wrong and di not use the necessary protocols to make it good. Its like running dbol and no AI and being often bloated and miserable, why not reduce those sides with the AI and mae the dbol run better and "HEALTHIER"?. Much more to discuss with prolactin but hopefully for this topic we covered the necessary depth of it and its other effects.
Btw...fun little fact that might make you understand prolactin a bit better. Did you know that following an orgasm your body secretes proclactin. So think about after you get off how you lose that sexual drive "to peak condition at least" and lose wood quality. So now imagine you have that overage all the time...BOOM! Check youself bitchezzzz
I SHOULD ADD, CABERGOLINE CAN BE EXTREMELY DANGEROUS ABUSED, USE IT PROPER THE WAY YOU PROPERLY USE ANY DRUG so you can continue to enjoy all the benefits of having a pulse. Sweet huh?
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tread-mWind beneath my wings baby!
This is what I'm experiencing with my test/eq cycle. It's probably not prolactin, but I think it's time to raise the AI
tread-mGet a post up or PM me and I'll get back tonight. No, not prolactin but need some help and that will requiire some convo.
Absolutely! Thanks brother
Great post Guru-T!
Without making this reply too complex: This is post is based on small changes in prolactin levels and using strong AI's to eradicate the issue - so is prolactin manipulation 'difficult' to achieve?
Also, what do you think would happen if i took caber post ejaculation?
tread-mLol...caber post ejacualtion. No brother, lets not get greedy! Prolactin manipulation is likely not difficult considering how little it has to change to cause problems and also consider someone with no wood having great wood in 3 days low dose. So no , IMO not difficult to manipulate but abuse is an ugly thing brother, many go on to continue caber use and in those scenerios its dangerous.
Tread your a genius
dexitrimThanks for covering this topic!!! When you say "low dose caber", how much and how often qualifies? At what point do you start caber and end caber if you're running a long deca cycle, for instance? Also, most people freak out at the suggestion of running tren with deca. Does running caber while stacking these make it moot to decry such a cycle?
tread-mNot moot no..but, I am opposed to dual 19's. Now back to back 19's with proper dose and caber in the roll, we can talk there. Dual 19's is kinda greedy I guess in my mind. Its like why on Gods green earth would I need that and then I see Cutler or Heath and say, oh, thats why. Lol...no brother if you have 500 mg's of one or 250 mg's of 2 we still still end up with similar prolactin stimulation but I just don't like it personally.. too many ways to achieve without crossing boundaries IMO.
Good read
great post cabor is a must on tren of deca IME
Great post though a lot of people don't realize exactly how 19 nors work in the body
awesome post. 0.5mg e3d?
tread-mI quarter or half tab every 3 depending on need.
Riding the bike as fast as you can can be a good thing. Also it's great cardio. Get that heart rate up for that long your burning some fat.
tread-mYou've never had deca dick, this aint fun ridin Nooka!