First Test E cycle, few problems, need help guys!
Its my first cycle and I'm on 6th week of Test E 600 mg/week... been having some problems
my last few shots havent went as well as others.. a couple of my shots i had blood leak out with oil and it swelled up...i made sure to aspirate and had the right spots according to what i read/saw online.. my yesterdays shot made me feel like shit right after i took the shot. I had a dry cough and kept coughing all night. today my lungs hurt a little and i have a strong pain in my right shoulder joint... im generally feeling very bad today and i dunno waht to do..where did I go wrong and how can i fix this? at this point im thinking of stopping pinning and just doing pct in a couple of weeks. Also my injection side swelled up and hurts... Ive been taking aromasin 12.5 mg a day for the 2-3 weeks as well because i was feeling some sensitivity in my nipples (wasnt sure if it was normal but decided to take it just in case)
sorry about messy typing..
thanks
edit: some background info: 26 years old, first cycle, been working out since 18 but lost size/strength due to being out of the gym and was looking to get it back now. im 5'11 172 lbs like 15-18%bf.. i used to be 170ish lb, 10%bf which is my goal im trying to achieve.
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OK guys I have another problem.. I had rubber stoppers in all of my vials so I used a 22u filter and filtered everything into a sterile vial.. I did my shot as usual afterwards but this time with a 25g 1inch needle(I did glutes and used 23g 1.5inch always). Its been 3 days and I'm in a lot of pain there and its pretty swelled up. There's was a little bit of redness but seems like it went away. Swelling and hardness is still there, not sure if pain has went down or I got used to it.. is my gear contaminated? Did I get an infection? I have to do my next shot and I might just throw it away and start my pct in 2 weeks. I'm freaking out:( can post a pic(no homo)
so, you took your gear, which was already handled and filtered into a sterile vial, and took it out to refilter it and put it in another vial?
Pretty much..why did I do it? It had small particles of rubber stopper in it.. I didn't wanna inject rubber and did my research so I filtered it with a what man filter into a new sterile vile(much better, stronger rubber stopper)
Don't get me wrong though, I was extremely careful. I washed the table and my hands with rubbing alcohol, used total of 6 needles and 3 syringes to drain from 3 vials (each was like 1/3 full, all of em had rubber particles in them) into 1 new sterile sealed vile with a better rubber stopper. I did use only 1 filter though.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-as-needed...
Very helpful
the oil that goes into the lungs..how dangerous is this? is it wasted meaning ill need to repin? i do 300mg/week monday morning and 300mg/week thursday night. Should i drop AI completely? i can split the caps into two. I'm pinning glutes only,, i rotate it so each glute gets an injection every 7 days. I have lots of nolva, clomid for the end of the cycle..
GearofWarOil in lungs is more annoying than anything, but you definitely, and I cannot stress this enough, should aspirate every pin, without exception. Getting air into an artery can be deadly. But no, the oil is not wasted nor in need of a re-pin if you get a cough. It takes such a minimal amount of oil to make you cough. It's not as if all 3cc's are going to your lungs brother. Pumping a vein full of gear will not kill you to the best of my knowledge, but will make you feel like you're dying. You will cough uncontrollably, shakes, sweats, light headed, maybe even pass out from coughing. It's like having a really severe panic attack. Never nice. It takes 2 seconds to aspirate and it saves you so much trouble. Check out www.spotinjections.com for a nice list of alternate sites to pin. My personal favorite is the ventroglute. Very easy to pin, aspirate, and can hold a fair amount of oil too. Plus as an added bonus PIP is rarely an issue in that muscle. As far as the AI goes I would see how you feel if you drop it for a few(3 or so) days. I rarely have gyno issues so that's how I typically dose my AI on as needed basis. If you feel E2 sides rearing their ugly heads take one cap of Aromasin and see if it knocks it out. You should be able to tell when gyno is cropping up by several indicators. For me it can be excess water retention aka test bloat. Also look at your pecker. if it looks like an turtle mushroom wearing a turtle neck sweater chances are estro is elevated. some dudes get itchy nips, sore nips. It always varies person to person. Hope this long fucking reply helps you out, lol. My.02 peace!
Thank you! Very very helpful .I dropped ai for now, will see now if goes
You should have ran your blood work before dropping that AI... You're playing the guessing game. $60 and you'll have your answer in less than a week.
I've dropped AI and feeling better already. My nipples are a little bit more sensitive but that's all. I'm working on getting blood work done.
If your nipples are sensitive then you should not have dropped the AI bro. This means your e2 levels are elevated to a point where they are stimulating the tissues in the breast. This is exactly why I try to encourage the bloodwork over trial and error for this particular circumstance.
Dealing with symptoms of low e2 are easier to correct without severe adverse sides or gyno. High e2 can cause gyno or pre-gyno symptoms such as nipple sensitivity.
Today they were very sensitive so I'm back to taking AI but half the dosage I was takjng before.. basically 6.75mg every day since aromasins half life is close to 24 hours
Good idea. You should really consider the investment of bloodwork to see how effective that dose is
Thanks will do. I blew up and strength went up after dropping AI.. full aromasin dose was too high because I was getting joint pains. I feel great atm with the exception of sensitive nips. I'll give it a week of this dose then I'll do bloodwork
GearofWarAs far as the cough it sounds like you may have nicked a vein or vessel. Thats what happens when oil gets carried to your lungs. Also at 600mg/week of Test your AI dosing seems a bit high, unless of course you're extremely gyno-prone. What strength Test are you dosing i.e. 250mg/ml? Where are you pinning? Rotating injection sites? Any other ancillaries(HCG), and do you have you're PCT planned out?
Nevermind...damn you guys are fast. There weren't any comments at all when I started typing this, lol!
Lol.
I'm on my job, nikka! Lmao
i do glutes only. i think i have a fever.. its killing me and im freaking out! the injection site isnt red..it hurts a little and is swollen..my body aches a lot
the thing is it never got this swollen before and i never coughed so badly from a shot
but whats killing me the most is my right shoulder... i never had any joint pains and been working out with heavy weights for a while !
You're good bro. Just leave that shoulder alone for a while and stop pinning them.
As for the lung/oil issue... The oils don't actually get into the lungs. The way the lungs function is to allow for passage of o2 and co2 across a thin membrane in the alveoli, which are the air sacks in the lungs, into and out of the bloodstream as the blood flows across this membrane.
When you hit a vein, the oils, hormones, and solvents enter the bloodstream. The alcohol in the solvents are what causes the coughing, etc. trust me when I say that you will get better and you will be ok. This will more than likely not be the last time this happens.
As for the swelling and pain at the injection site... There are a number of things that can cause this. We know that your technique was flawed, otherwise you wouldn't have knicked a vein. What I think happened is you knicked a vein on the way in and the tip of the pin stopped close enough to it to allow some to enter before the clot formed. Because some of the oils came out when you pulled the pin out, I believe you may have injected somewhat between the muscles, rather than directly into it. This caused some of those oils to dwell in the interstitial spaces between te muscles and/or fibers. The swelling and redness is the inflamation response to the foriegn fluids within these spaces. The lymphatic system will absorb these fluids and the symptoms will subside. You can take some anti-inflammatory agents like Aleive to help with the swelling and pain.
The fever: welcome to the world of AAS and the test flu. Your cherry is officially POPPED! Lol. The body aches and shitty feeling stems from the low grade fever. OTC fever reducers will help to remedy this issue. Your Aleive will help as well.
Last but not least: take a deep breath, relax, and go with the flow. You're all good brother.
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Wow what a great post. Thanks much! i apologize for not using reply button.. I just feel pretty shitty today.
I think you misunderstood me because i didn't explain myself right. I never pinned anything in my shoulders, only glutes! The pain that I have today in the shoulder is actually in the joints. My other joints are feeling wierd also but my right shoulder is just killing me. I did lots of research and I'm thinking its because of low estrogen levels? Should I drop AI completely?
Also forgot to mention, I'm getting acne badly on my back and shoulders..
Gotcha.
Very well maybe e2 related. Ideally, you should run your bloodwork and take a look at where they are.
Throw up a cycle layout so we can take a look at how your cycle has been ran so far, including the AI.
What is your AI? What dose? When did you start it?
Week 1-12 (maybe 15, depending how gains go) test e 600 mg/week, 300 mg on monday 300 mg on thursday.
AI is aromasin at 12.5 taken every moning at 8am. I started it around week 3 but i did half a cap for the first week and 1 cap (12.5mg) for the last 2 weeks.
You can try either reducing the AI dose to 6.25 ED or the frequency to 12.5 EOD. IMHO, we can Play the guessing game all day, but bloodwork is the key to finding the cause.
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Thank you so much for your help! This is really nice of you.
I will get a hormone test and will do 6.25 ed for now. Any good tricks on splitting a cap into 4? Also my left glute is kinda swolen now and I'm hoping the swelling will go away before thursday but if it doesnt, do I just pin into it anyway? I did my right glute yesterday. They have been getting more swolen than before.
No problem brother. That's what I'm here for.
No, you should not pin it again. Switch to quads. Your muscles are still trying to adapt. They need time to fully recover between pins in order to do this. Pinning more frequently than the muscle can handle adds stress and trauma prior to recovery. Never pin the same muscle twice in one week, as a rule of thumb. If they are still swollen and/or red in color, skip that site and pin a different one.
There is a thread in my forums about ways to reduce pip via pin sizes and technique.
As for the caps, I don't use them. Mine are liquid suspension (no src talk). I've ran bloodwork on mine, so I know they're good. "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" kinda thing. Caps are too difficult to split doses with consistency, so I tend to stay away from them. Tab or liquid is my preference.
The left glute was pinned last thursday. I pin each glute once a week. They usually recover for next weeks injection but it seems to me the left glute wont recover till thursday,,which is why im worried
I will be using liquid in the future.
throw the quads in there bro. here's some info for you about pin sizes and site rotation:
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/pin-sizes-and-in...
good looking out doss I didn't have to say a word .. you hit all the points too. I m glad I read down the post before replying ;-)
well thank ya, grrrl.
I will. You've been great help! Guys like you keep this community awesome! Hopefuly oneday ill be knowledgeble so I can help the newcomers.
Btw I'm feeling a little better now than I was earlier.
You jut knicked a vein on the way in. Aspirating only shows if you're in one. It's possible to go straight thru them. I get a little blood and even oils coming out after the pin sometimes. It's just part of the game, bro. You're fine.
As far as feeling like shit today, prolly your first experience with test flu. How's the fever or body aches?
My opinion: forget pinning delts for now, if they're giving you problems. Stick with the quads and glutes. First cycle test only - no need to rotate more than 2-4 sites anyways.
Test shouldn't really cause that, my only thought is infection. U say it's red and swollen, is it hot to the touch?
this is jumping the gun bro, test does cause this. its his first cycle. his virgin muscle is reacting to the test. i started my first cycle last week on wed. and pinned my delt first. it had been inflamed and sore with a red patch and warm to the touch and took from thursday or friday until today for the pain and swelling/redness to start coming down. could have been that the pinning every 7 days in the same spot was too much for his body and is now reacting, could also have been a bad pin.
the shitty feeling shoulders sound like low estro and the fever and aches could be test flu or also low estro. as was already stated, id drop your aromasin to 6.25 ED, 12.5 ED seems high. the inflammation and soreness should come down, in the mean time id pin somewhere else.