+ 3 Do steroids work for everyone?
I had a question about if some bodies just do not respond well, or at all with steroids. I am wondering this because I am a 27 year old male, have taken a total of 1 pro hormone cycle, and 2 steroid cycles and have honestly felt that I am not getting the same response that many others, including a few friends are getting. Now please note I have had done at least 2 years of research before my first pro hormone cycle (halotest 25) when I was 24 so I did PCT, and everything you can name out of the book flawlessly. Don't worry I am not a dumbass noob lol. I am a die hard nutritionist so Im always eating clean, and timing what I eat, and when to eat it right. My last cycle is what dazzled me the most. I decided that since my last two cycles did not go good, maybe it was time to step it up and try out tren from one of the top sources here on eroids, (Dont want to say who because they have a very good rep here and im not trying to down them) so I know his gear could not possibly be bunk. I was taking a total of 50mg test p/ 50mg tren a/ 50m mast p ed for a total of 350mg of each every week along with arim ed for a total of 10 weeks. The first week I did get the "Tren flu" so I was thinking hell yea this shits legit. But soon after that was over I felt my body wasnt really changing after that. I wasnt getting any warm feeling from tren, experienced no side effects what so ever (no tren cough when i nicked a vein, no night sweats, no anger/aggression, no high bp). My gains at the gym did indeed go up, but maybe only 5 pounds every week or 2 on compound workouts (bench, sqauts, military, etc) while lifting heavy with low reps. (5x5). Now do note I was cutting during this cycle so I was carb cycling throughout with only a shitload of carbs right before and after my workouts.But still ate Tons of healthy fats and protein throughout the entire day though. Long story short I felt that I didnt gain as much muscle and lose enough fat as I wanted to. Would taking the same cycle as I just took but stronger (75mg testp/trena/mastp ed) maybe help more, or is my body just not going to respond as it did the first couple times. Really hate spending $500 plus when I feel I could do it naturally and still get the same minimal gains. Any criticism/opinions are welcome, I wont be butt-hurt lol. Thanks again everyone ~kalaa
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Why don't you just do this.
Week 1-4 test prop 150mg eod
Week 1-4 npp 100mg eod
Week 1-4 dbol 25 mg twice ed
Week 1-12 test e 300 mgs twice a week
Week 1-11 deca 150 mgs twice a week
Week 1-12 Adex .5 mg eod
Pct
Eat your ass off. Train as hard as you can. And 3 months from now there is no way you can say you didn't gain. Leave all that masterone and tren alone for now. That's for later. After you get as big as a house then go on a cut cycle and diet. Get SWOLE!
If you and everyone else cant tell your running juice, then you are doing it wrong or it is fake!!!
If you are running a cycle, and you are not seeing a transformation in your body by week 5 , or i'll say week 6 the absolute latest, if your running all long esters, then there is only 3 things that can be wrong.
1.) Either, you are not eating right!
2.) or, you are not training right!
3>) or, your gear is BEAT!!!............BOTTOM LINE
if you are the nutrition concious person you say you are and you truly worked hard in the gym, then wake up kid!!! the source that sold you that tren beat you!!! and he is going to do it to other people, so post the review and report it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude i think its a mixture of my body needing a lot of stuff, too much adex, and shitty diet. My sources reviews have never been bad about the quality of stuff, so im not gonna downgrade him. I am most likely gonna try a different source this time around tho just to see maybe if the oil he used my body didnt like (idk if oil matters or not just wondering)
No the oil absolutly does not matter whatsoever. Maybe as far as pip goes, but definatly not for gains. Adex is a very powerful drug and should always be started at .25mg EOD. And only adjust to .50ED only if nessasary. I hope you are not overdosing that stuff because that will also screw you up. You said in your original post that your diet was spot on and how you have always been concious about that, so why do you say now that maybe your diet was shitty!!! Hopefully now with this new source you will get legit gear and then youll know you got screwed the last time around. Dude, trust me, as long as your diet didnt straight up suck, and as long as you worked hard in the gym, there is no way in hell that you ran those compounds and didnt see a noticeable, considerable transformation in your body. The juice was fake!
what or how much AI did you take? if you totally killed your estros, it could screw you up
CleyonI've read the responses below, and while I agree with most everything the other people have said I want to add in my opinion.
Do AAS work for everybody? Yes... and No. What do I mean? I mean that yes they do "work", but all of our bodies are different, and we all react differently to different compounds. Some people get everything they need from Test only. Some people get huge sides, and others get barely any. When you are reading through these boards you are getting educated guesses as to what will work with your body.
That's precisely the reason why you do your first cycle as Test only. Find out if your body reacts to test. If it does, then keep riding that train till it slows down. I have a friend who's gains have been so good on Test that he's on his third test only cycle. He doesn't see any reason to put other things in with it yet.
With all that being said. No steroid (not even tren) violates the rules. It's Food, Excercise, and then Gear that gets you the gains. If your diet isn't rock solid, then you will NOT get the results. A person with great diet and work ethic in the gym will blow away a person who has work ethic in the gym and gear but a crappy diet. They'll still see gains, but not nearly as noticeable.
Hopefully this helps to re-align your priorities. That's the real danger with gear in my opinion. People see it as a way to not have to do the full program, and that is just cheating yourself.
6:00am wake up inject 2 iu gh ed take all oral vitamins
7:00 am take 25 mgs test prop ed 50 mgs tren ace ed week 1-4 75 mgs tren ace ed week 5-6 100 mgs tren ace ed week 7-8 .5 mg Adex eod .5 mg caber twice a week
7:00 am 5 egg whites raw 1/4 cup raw instant oatmeal cooked 1 cup almond milk
9:00 train
11:00 1/2 chicken breast 1/2 cup cooked brown rice 10 almonds
1:00 1/2 chicken breast 1/2 cup cooked brown rice 10 almonds
3:00 1/2 chicken breast no carb 15 pistachios nuts
7:00 1/2 chicken breast no carb 1 table spoon natural peanut butter 100% peanuts only
9:00 1/2 chicken breast no carb 1 table spoon natural peanut butter 100% peanuts only
10:00 2 iu gh ed
11:00 bed time
Work 5 days a week train 5 days a week.
Dec 1 2012 235 lbs body fat 26% January 15 2013 213 lbs 18% bod fat 45 days to go
Goal 10% body fat feb 28.
I have lost some size but my body fat is dropping. When I get to 10% body fat I wil do a 12 week clean out cycle. Low dose test and primo e. Than a 12 week bulk cycle. Test/Deca. I will eat the same diet but double the portions and have the carb the last 3 meals. I'm not a nutrionist or a trainer but this is what is working for me. I am also a slow responder to steroids. It works just real slow. The diet is cutting the body fat. The training and the steroids are retaining the red muscle tissue so i don't end up looking like a crack head. My goals are based in a 3 year plan.
p.s.+1 from me for the person who docked your karma 1 point. You got 5 karma now. I guess you can go vote on sources too.
This just points out the misconception people have with steroids. So many people, especially in the media, think that all you have to do is pop some pills and watch yourself turn into The Hulk, when anyone with any knowledge of gear knows thats a farce. What annoys me to no end is the use of steroids in sports. Sure those guys, and girls, may have juiced but they still had to work their jocks, or vulvas, off in the weight room and kitchen to get to that point. Are you going to gain an inherent advantage if you run gear properly with a diet and exercise program that is on point? Hell yes you will. Can you just blast some tren and expect it to do to these magical things to your body while you sit around and do basically nothing? Absolutely not. In fact, you would likely be worse off than when you started. Im bigger and stronger than most of the people I encounter on a daily basis, and many of you know that I run a lot of gear. But I also work harder than most of the people I encounter during the day to get to the point Im at. Its about the work and dedication. Period. Ok I'm done ranting.
Homie you're making it sound like all I do is sit on my ass all day eating whatever I want not doing shit and expecting tren to just somehow magically do all the work when it's not like that at all. The reason why I started this was to merely ask if steroids affected people all the same way. Obviously I'm a hard worker since I made a huge transition dropping 16% bf in about 4 months from hard work and diet, but I understand now that the diet plan I had during my cycle was not very good at all.
I wasn't speaking about you specifically, but at least now you know. And it honestly scares the piss out of me when I read about guys running tren who don't even have the basic knowledge of gear to begin with. Am I being a dick? Probably. But I'd hate to see you fuck yourself up the way I have.
No I understand you were just looking out, and I'm glad. That's what I love about eroids. Thing with me was I felt no crazy aggression, no burning feeling, no night sweats insomnia nothing! That's why I was just shocked. People hyped me up for tren and it didn't feel too different then without it. Thanks for the input tho brotha
I'll give you a good laugh. I ran deca only cycles in my early 20's. Even stacked deca and eq together. No test lol. I'm TRT now obviously. I really wasn't going off on you in my first post. Im just sick of the whole media propaganda bullshit and the stigma that goes along with gear. This lance armstrong shit has it all going again.
Alright I guess from reading everyones posts my diet isnt as good as I thought it was. Im gonna focus this month maintaining muscle because I just got done with my PCT, then for the next 3 months do a ketogenic CKD diet to lose about 15-20lbs of fat naturally and slowly so I can keep my muscle while being under 10%bf. then in June Ill try the cycle again with a much better diet and try to stay lean, but gain about 15lbs or so of muscle. Appreciate the feedback fellas, much love.
Glad you came here asking before deciding "fuck it ill just run 200mg tren per day and see what happens"
I do agree with others that you need to focus more on diet. But it is possible you are a light responder to certain drugs. I have a friend like that, he would take 6 xanax bars and not feel anything. SOmetimes people just don't respond.
lol man Im not too sure about the rules talkin about other kinds of drugs, but ill just say Ive always had to take much more than my friends would just to feel the same effect. Same with caffeine and preworkouts. It pisses me off I have to spend so much money just cuz my bodys retarded and needs a lot haha.
I completely agree. It seems the OP has it set from his research though that he's doing it right.... Obviously something isn't working though.
I understand my diet is not the best but ill try to explain my analogy so you can see where im coming from. since cardio is limited for me (torn acl and meniscus) I would try to burn as much fat through my intense workouts, hence why I kept my carbs low in the morning, to get enough energy to have an intense 2hour workout, but low enough to start using my stored fat for energy (ketones). At the same time I kept my calories above 500 maintenance a day because I wanted muscle to grow, thats why I got these excess calories from fat like peanut butter for example, because Im already getting more than enough protein.
wow who's the asshole that lowered my karma lol.
Don't know, but I've given you a +1 so you're good ;)
Probably a mistake, I've done it on my phone before!
haha appreciate it brotha. Thought someone didn't like me for asking this question lol
Who knows. You haven't done anything wrong IMO so you get it back lol!
samick94People do respond different for sure. a while back... be eroids... me and a guy at the gym were using the same gear. puti was using about half as much as him. and i blew up way more while staying lean. he got a little size but not like what i got. and when he came off he lost it all for the most part. idk if his diet sucked or he didnt know how to pct. but he responded like shit on 2x the gear i was using.
see that's what I dont understand. My friends who have by far the shittiest diets will blow up on a cycle and im like barely noticing anything. IDK if this helps, but my injections would stay sore for almost a whole week, even though they were not considered "virgin muscles" anymore. idk if my body thought it was a virus or somthing and was fighting it off
50mg ED of those compounds isn't much. It is true that people respond better than others, so I would up the dose, and up your food intake if u want to gain muscle. You didn't notice veins popping out or anything? Because that's very weird especially with tren/mast/prop ...if I take that my veins look like pipes bro. I highly doubt there are people that steroids don't affect at all. Try Test Enanthate... Because prop/tren together don't really make me gain weight either, unless I eat A LOT. Also, adex ED might be too much bro, it has a longer half life than aromasin for example and when your estro is too low it can hinder gains.
I've gained off tren with a dose as low as 25mg ed. If 50mg Ed ain't cutting it I highly doubt 100mg will do anything except get him more sides. Diet is we're he needs to focuse his tweaking not the amount of oil he is using. Sounds like he is trying to bulk and cut all at once, not a good idea. Also looks like he is expecting a little to much out of his gear.
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haha man my body just look weird. My veins were popping everywhere (except near stomach), but they also whenever i carb cycle/keto diet. but I just feel all my stored fat is in my love handles and stomach so I look very weird, especially since I have narrow shoulders and wide hips. If someone would look at me above my waist I would look like I have 7-8% bf haha. but yea i think my arim was a lil too much, was gonna minimize that on my next cycle if i took one. Also The cycle I took before this was test e and didnt like it too much either. felt very bloated, gained lots of fat and strength wasn't that good either
I saw one big red flag. You said you didn't gain as much muscle and lose the fat you wanted. You can't do both. You either run a bulking cycle and eat your face off or you run a cutting cycle and eat clean.
Now you said you are a nutritionist so I'm willing to bet that if your goal is to put on size you aren't eating enough. You talked about carb cycling on a bulk. Fuck that madness. Eat as many carbs as you can. When I bulk I eat 2 grams of carbs per lb of body weight.
About your training... Kind of the same deal. What's your end goal? To cut up and get shredded? Then you def shouldn't be doing a 5x5.
PM me if you have specific questions about diet and routines. I'll help out where I can.
I understand the "you cant bulk and cut the same time", but I thought tren was still strong enough for me to gain about 10lbs of muscle, while losing about 10lbs of fat. I do agree with you I may not have ate as much as I should, but I promise you I still kept my protein 1.5x body weigh (300g) about 200g carb, and about 125-150g fat. My BMR is about 2500 (slow ass metabolism. natural endomorph) so I was still getting 500+ calories on surpluss to gain some muscle. And I also heard on tren you can gain muscle while being on a calorie DEFICIT. So my diet my have not been ideal for this cycle. Thanks for the imput tho brotha. Oh and my honest goal is to be just about 195lbs at 8-9% bf
Bro I eat 600g carbs per day while bulking lol. Theres your problem. hell if you ate 600g carbs per day and 200g protein you would see more gains. Because when your body does not have enough carbs it breaks down protein for energy.
Your goal to gain is triple your carb intake and keep everything else the same. Come back in 2-3 months and let us know how it goes.
This is a similar train of thought to myself, lets find out!
Lets talk about your diet. Can you give us a breakdown of what you eat in a typical day? 9/10 when this happens its all about the food.
Ive read from lyle mcdonald that while cutting you should ALWAYS lift heavy to maintain/keep strength high. (also causes body stress, releasing more testosterone.)
Diet break down ish
Breakfest: 4 whole eggs with coconut oil, 50g protein shake with natty pb
Pre workout snacks (just for carbs): 3-4 nutrigain bars
Preworkout: Muscle Marinade
Postworkout: 50g Protein shake with 50 gram dextrose
Post workout meal: lots of chicken breast with brown rice
lunch: tuna salad or small chicken seasor salad (no crutons)
Dinner: 12 oz steak or prime rib. (Work in the food business so I get discounts like crazy :))
Dinner 2: Some kind of fish with vegetables
Midnight snack: lots of natty PB with couple of string cheese for cassien
Just wondering- do you think the midnight snack of LOTS of PB with string cheese is not necessarily ideal? Is it low fat or nonfat? I personally use nonfat cottage cheese and skim milk with a protein shake... Just something to think about. I could be way off base tho...
After researching for a while now, in my honest oppion fats are much better opposed to carbs. You can lose fat either way keeping one of them low, but for me personally based on keto diets and stuff, low carb high fat is better for me.
This is true to a degree I'd say. But you're not dropping fat like you want- perhaps you're not in a keto mode? Not sure. Tren melts it off me. But nonfat cottage cheese I had just recommended for the casein before bed. Along with a casein shake...... I try to a avoid dairy other than nonfat forms personally.
Your complex carbs are low if you're trying to bulk, I wouldn't gain on that either. I dont know what time of day you tend to train at, but look at adding some oats for breakfast as at the moment you eat practically zero carbs first thing. Try and eat more stuff like quinoa and sweet potatoes, when you're running gear your body is working overtime and needs way more calories than normal.
Get yourself some casein for slow release protein overnight and take just before bed.
x2. I agree brotha!
my main focus on this diet was to cut up, but I still thought on tren it is possible to gain atleast a pound of muscle a week even if my calories werent that high. and sadly I didnt lose as much fat as I wanted. (have to avoid running/cardio. Tore my acl and had surgery so im still skeptical about running)
Your carbs are too low to gain 1lb of muscle per week and I'm also going to suggest you're expecting too much from the gear. It's not magic, and you've also said you're unable to do any cardio which doesn't help.
I'm old school here, you're either bulking or cutting. You appear to be trying to do both.
Whoops totally forgot to give stats.
27 years old
5'11"
195lbs 13% bf
Bench Max 360ish (315X6)
Squat Max 250ish (was 450ish but had ACL surgery last July :()
Clean Max 175ish (I have pussy shoulders. Im workin on it)
Deadlift Max 250ish (again ACL fucked my 400lb max)
First cycle- 3 years ago. Halotest 25. 50mg ed for 6 weeks. PCT Nolva 40/40/20/20
Second cycle - 1.5 years ago. Test E. 500mg week for 14 weeks. HCG and arim on cycle. PCT Clomid 100/50/50/25
Third cycle- started 3 months ago. Testp/TrenA/MastP/ each 50mg ed shots 9 weeks. HCG arim on cycle. PCT Clomid/100/50/50/25
have you had bloodwork ran at all?
no sir I was kinda sketched out to have blood work done during my cycle just because I didn't know what to say to my doctor if he saw my test levels were out of this world. I just got done with my pct so am gonna wait a month or so to get one done, because even tho I dont feel "shut down" my balls still vibrate just a lil here and there so I think im still not fully back to normal yet. libido is a little low, but still mange to get it up for my lucky lady
you ran conservative doses so that could be the reasoning and you were cutting. i think this is where you should compare your before and after photos and pick apart the differences, btw i think brambo started a thread on this but the thought process was that tren produced better results on moderate/consistent carbs then dropping them down and if i remember correctly this was a lot of peoples experience. other than that i would say get your post pct bloodwork and check that everything is in order
is this true for all body types though? I'm a natural endo so im pretty carb sensative. I went from 230lbs 30% body fat to 175lbs 14%bf in just 4 months after high school all naturally. Just feel that I havent gained as much as I would like since then, and kind of plauted. Thanks tho brotha!