+ 2 Customers doing hplc testing
Hey guys, this is kinda just a talk and a thought iv had and have been thinking about for sometime and I think it would really help us find and keep the good domestic srcs for the u.s, eu/uk, and maybe in Canada. But what I'm saying and getting at is I think it would do this cumminty a ton and would be doing a huge service is some of us started sending samples blind ones to be tested. Right now there's is labs doing analysis on raws, finishes oils, tablets, and even hgh, although the lab right now aren't doing hgh right this minute cause of the workload they have currently with what's going on.
But the three labs u can send samples to with the first one I'll mention is jano, now before anything is brought up yes a few years ago jano did something he shouldn't have and he did hide it for awhile and not admitt to what he did I believe cause he knew once he came clean he was gunna catch a hell of shit, but since then awhile ago he came clean and admitted to screwing up on an hgh test, he came clean got blasted and deeply aplogized many times and did his best from what I seen to correct his mistake, he offered pretty big discounts for awhile on alot of testing. In my eyes everyone screws up and makes mistakes were human, I don't like what he did but since then he's does alot in my eyes to correct it. He's been tested many times with crazy mixes that people came up with and the small sample vials he makes u order and use allows for every sample to be completely blind. So I know he's conducting and doing legit testing, cause he would have no idea what's in those little vials u use to send ur sample in. Right now jano has the best prices on testing from testing raws to oils and tablets and even hgh... Now if u don't feel comfortable using jano we also have lab4tox there alil more not much and there also another good lab who hasn't had any problems that I know or have read about.
What I'm trying to get at in this form is for us to talk and discuss about us the customers testing some of our products this way we know that we are getting exactly or close to what's on the labels. Blood work is great but it can only truely be used for two products test and hgh... And one product even a not so good srcs should atleast be putting out decent test being how cheap it is and we can kinda get an idea with bloods but we still don't get an idea of weither or not the dosage is accurate from what's on the label. It would be something to help us all out and sort of the best labs and the ones that stay good and keep there quailty up to standards. Also with customer testing it also stops any selective scamming if any is going on. Now I also think it's great when srcs test there own brand or brands, that's always a positive thing. But like I said with customers testing and contuinly testing and them not knowing exactly who is and when keeps them putting out quailty instead of some batch's good and some batch's bad... It's just an idea and thought I think this cumminty would highly benefit from along with bloods...
I'd love to hear ur guys feed back and ideas and ur guys thought on this, cause alot of us drop a decent amount of money on gear expecially from domestics or even intl srcs that have been tested mostly by the srcs if at all... So I think if some of us customers can get involved in random testing expecially products that tend to cost alil more like primo,var,mast,tbol,halo are gunna be some of the more fake or bunk ones or very badly underdosed or have a completely different compound in it . I forgot to also throw in tren hex which alot of srcs throw in and use tren e instead of hex...
Either way I would love to hear ur guys opinions on this
- Bookmark
- 2
- 0
Right, let's get some Tests done!
Purity purity purity!!! 200mg/ml of 99% purity will be better than 200mg/ml of 90% purity! Lab will test strength not purity! You can line up 5 different bottles of 200mg/ml of gear from different makers & even though they test out 200mg/ml the purity can be different for all! Just because it says it’s 200 mg/ml does it mean they are the same upon testing! No! Let me put it to you this way as an example! Let’s say a guy bought a gram of Coke on the streets of Columbia for research! Now another guy he bought a gram of Coke on the streets of Wyoming for research! Both are a gram same weight, but one is 99% Pure & the other is 50/60% pure! It happens with AAS too!! Pharma grade 99% pure UDG maybe 90/95% pure! But both are 200 mg/mL. Not the same.. Bloods or lab testing for strength won’t show that part! When the purity is inferior you have to take more. I’d rather take 200 mg/ml of legit Pharmacy gear(99% purity) than 200mg/ml UDG gear of 89% purity! Happens will pills too!
Pounds23And honestly man all these ugls should be testing every new batch of raws they get in for purity peroid this way one we know there getting the correct compound and also the purity...... We should be pushing these labs to get this done jano offeres a discount for this for labs looking to test large amount of samples and raws , cause sometimes the labs will get fucked by the raw guy..... So that should give them even more reason to test all there raws each and every time a new.batch comes.in and they should be posted and shared......
I know of only.one lab recently who was doing things correctly he not only was keeping track of his batches the correct way but he was also testing all.his raws for compound and purity, and he also tested each and every finished compound.... Then we also had alot of customers who sent samples for testing which all came back good.... And there's was a CPL.times the purity was shit and he sent it back or the compound was wrong. It's not like these labs aren't.making.enough expecially when I see smaller labs that aren't doing as much bussiness doing more testing then say a domestic who is doing tons of orders to me it's horseshit..... No I plan to lead by example I do have bloods coming in any day now, but I also plan to send some samples out for testing it might only be a CPL.to start cause that is what I can afford currently, also these labs if we're.gunns spend the time and money to test there products they should give us not only a new vial of whatever compound sample we sent for testing but also credit us atleast 150-200$ per.sample.we send cause in reality if it test good we are pretty much proving and giving people a peace of mind that the gear is on point which is gunna bring in even more business for that lab
Pounds23Well ur alil off topic I'm talking about finished products and ur talking about rawz..... I'm more into us as customers testing finished products more so.domestic labs but I also would like to see hplc testing down on finished products by customers from some of the bigger more well.know labs, this way we keep the good honest labs around and kick out the shit ones. By doing this we not only keep the best labs and gear around and srcs but we also protect ourselves from bad stuff either it be contaminated or bunk or underdosed or just oil in a vial.... They whole point is to keep these labs accountable.... How is it possible on eroids that not one hplc finished lab reports for no excuses one of the most popular Dom's we have no have a single report on any of his gear yes he has blood work but that only tells us that his test is good.
It doesn't tell us about any of his other products people say say they fill this and that but without testing we don't know for sure, he himself hasn't tested a.single finished product no a.single batch of raws. As many orders and bussiness as he's doing u can't tell me he can afford test for his finished products even if it's just two test like a test c or e and a sust, then the other compounds like deca,npp,eq,mast e or p,tren a and e and then the orals even if it's just the anavar ,anadrol, and winny .... And then behind that we as customers should be sending samples so we know everyone is getting the same gear and so we keep the best labs around....testing has come.down alot with jano u use a totally blind sample tube for the oils and a.bagfie for the orals I'm not saying.to do it ever.batch or all the time.but if we all contribute alil it would help hugely keeping good gear around instead of guessing....
All we have from alot of these domestics and even bigger company's is blood work which only shows there 8$ vial of test is decent.... We the customers need to test so we.no there's no switch arounds...it isn't much to test jano accepts btc now a sample test or hplc test cost between 60-80$ a sample even if we test one sample it's worth it,. expecially if we all get involved I plan to lead by example and will have some products tested soon also for those who don't use btc lab4tox offered different options including cim...... This lab make tons of money yet none of them have any hplc testing not by customers other then one and not even by them for starters no excuses, raise the bar, Armani ,Titan, kodiack, ferial and I'm sure there is other..... I am NOT in anyway coming down on these sources or saying there bad infact there pretty good we'll I use one of them arni. What I'm saying is this way we get rid of certain lab that scam us or might be scamming us or selective scamming friends on the cumminty not that they are we don't know till we start testing.... I plan to lead the charge I'm gunna have to start with a CPL obv it'll be labs that I'm using.... I just want us to be using quailty sterile gear dosed close to the label and not being taken advantage of cause alot of us bust out ass for our money and expect good gear..... And everyone should know there's tons of scams out there sometimes a.src will run low on raws and cut it or add to it or they will just use oil which ain't right of there out they should just make a statement saying we're closed till be vet inventory
This is very true. This is often overlooked by most people. They focus on the active ingredient and dosage matching up to the label. Prime example a friend of mine is doing 250mg/ml Sustanon. He was using a particular UGL for a bit and then switched to another brand. He started getting estrogen related issues after he switched. He didn't understand when he was taking the same dosage along with the same AI regiment. I told him the product he is currently doing may be either overdosed and/or higher purity.
A UGL should at a minimum filter a product 3 times before bottling. Each filtering will increase the purity. Most labs probably only filter 1 time. This saves time and reduces loss of product.
I hadn’t actually looked into doing it myself but after seeing those prices I may actually do so. $80 to see what’s in the vial could be worth it for large orders of primo which are usually 1k+ for a cycle
Some will argue about the accuracy of roidstest.com kits, but I’ve had nothing but success with the kits. I have yet to find a compound or ester that it can’t pin point. No, the strength isn’t tested, but my group now has a lot more confidence in pinning different things knowing that at least it’s the right compound. Least experience people will benefit more from knowing the strength before, but more experienced people will generally know if it’s good to go with respect to strength. Home test kits are $30 and Jani is $120+. If you’re a 1-2 cycle a year guy, you probably don’t want to spend extra cash and time sending your few things out for expensive testing. If you’re a distributor, then yeah, absolutely knowing the details comes in handy. IMO.
Pounds23Ur actually wrong roidtest kits suck for one IDC if ur experienced or not they blow, cause even if u get it right u have no idea how underdosed the product could possible be and jano is $80 a sample $60 for raw powder test sample. To test hgh it's 120-140.... Lab4tox is 120$ sample.... U can have all the experience in the world alot of people base how good there gear is off of how much side effects there getting, meanwhile u could have perfect gear probably dosed super clean and not get sides or crazy results and the gear be completely right on... They whole point I'm getting at is I'd think it'd be better for customers to also test there products once in awhile expecially these domestic srcs the whole point in testing by a lab is not only a piece of mind for urself but also for the cumminty and so that we know these domestic srcs are dosing one with the compound that's on the bottle two that the dosage that's on the label is close to the reports findings... Plus it would keep the good domestic labs and srcs around and weed out the shit ones who are scamming people.... I would even be happy if the srcs tested atleast there raws powder for the correct compound and purity, cause sometimes it's not the brewer or srcs fault they think there making primo meanwhile it's mast e and the purity is shit... It'd be nice for them to atleast test there raws for each batch of new raws they get cause all it takes if for a product to not have the good purity and it can throw the final product all off.... To me my opinion I think roidtest are a waste of time ur allowed to have ur opinion and so am I , the whole reason why I created this form plus it's the first one iv done and figured this a good topic to talk about with everyone
I think I'm missing something? If you want to see lab tests made by customers, you can easily send a sample by yourself. Also I've seen a lot of guys sending samples out for testing....
Pounds23Really I havent I seen maybe two or three, and it's not about me seeing lab test, there plenty on another forum I'm part of I just figured this be a good topic to talk about and it'd help out the whole community. By keeping good srcs around and getting rid of the shity ones, it's not the same when a srcs does the lab testing yes it helps but in reality it's much better when members send samples out too. Bloods are okay but sometimes even those can cause issues sometimes, all I'm saying is I don't see the harm in everyone working together to keep good honest legit srcs around and in the community, bloods can really only tell u weither ur test is decent but when it comes to other compounds we have no idea weither there using the correct compound and if it's at the right dosage
Molinin302I dunno man, the way I see it is what he's referring to already exists. Here on this site. I see reviews, blood results and lab tests all the time. I post my own bloods and will be doing again soon (getting a couple promo vials, its the least I can do). I guess some people just don't want to do the legwork
Pounds23Yeah there's plenty of blood test out there but that only tells us weither there test is good, nothing else, it cost nothing to make a vial of test, but when it comes to the other compounds like tren, tren hex which gets faked alot for tren e, eq,deca,npp,primo, and all the orals all the blood work in the world isn't gunna tell u weither those products are dosed correctly and if ur getting the correct compound, theres a decent amount of Dom labs that haven't had a single hplc report done. And I'm not saying bloods aren't good they are deff, and yes there's been some srcs who have tested there products but they could send a good vial out for testing then send u something else, not saying that's defff being done but who knows it could be... I made the form just to create conversation about testing... There's been a CPL srcs who went out as fast as they came.... And there's alot of reviews that tend to be on the poor side sometimes
Molinin302I'm with you, and press nailed it. Can't be 199% sure, but there's options that will give you some comfort. I'm not a fan at all of the at home tests. Even if they were 109% accurate, which they're not, there's too much room for user error.
A lot of it is purely down to money I think - I'd love to send some samples off for testing but coming up with funds for gear is hard enough in itself, then $120 plus on top of that for testing and it really starts getting expensive. Stick with what you know is good gear and whats been around for years and you can't go wrong is what I find - and tbh even then there are the odd horror stories you hear where very well known labs oils have caused abscesses. Unless you are in a hospital or doctors getting injected with pharma grade gear by them you are never gonna be 110% safe.
Pounds23Yeah no I just created for us to simply talk about it I'm sure there is some of us who could send some samples for testing, I actually plan to send a CPL samples for testing myself... I usually use jano cause he's cheaper at 70-80$ a sample and u just gotta buy these little vials that u put a ml or half a ml of oil in it u can get like a ten pack or 20 pack for a CPL bucks it's not much then just shipping.... Sometimes if my friends do an order with me well all chip in to get some things tested... There are members that drop alot of money and I'm not saying well they should be the ones testing, it's just a topic I brought up and thought it'd be good to talk about, this way it keeps all of us safe and getting the correct oil and oral compounds expecially when it comes to females.... I choose to donate to Millard from anaboliclab to help fund some of all the testing he does for all the boards considering anyone can see them unlucky some other forums....I would even be happy with the srcs testing there raws that come in this way we know there getting good purity and also the correct compound... Lately there been alot of low quailty tadafail going around and even alil eq....
Either way I never started a forum I figured this would be a good one and one to talk about alil, it'd be nice if we could find a way sorta like how anaboliclab does it by collecting samples from different people and srcs and taking donations from members... It's just a combo I wanted to have
Yeah good effort mate - Nice to see ya getting your feet wet in the forums pal :-) +
Molinin302My bro, I completely agree. Another reason I stay loyal to my sources. About to add a third. I'm fortunate to have great insurance and an understanding physician. Blood panels can tell you quite a bit, just have to be humble enough to ask advice on here and make sure you have a baseline panel. Test levels go up? Your cypionate is legit. Liver values elevate? Your dianabol is good to go. Progesterone gets wacky? You have some good deca. (And better get some B6 or caber before you grow tits). I've only been beat by one source and they're no longer around. I trust these boards.