posted Thu, 02/16/2012 - 19:01
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so im about to start an anavar cycle. 100 ed for 12 weeks. problem is im leaving to miami for the winter music conference at the end of march. for anyone that doesnt know what wmc is, in basic terms, its a huge party. i'll be there for 5 days. needless to say, i wont be able to work out while im down there. i'll also be engaging in activities which will be somewhat counter productive to my training. bad idea, i know. but it is what it is. so heres the question. do i break my cycle for those 5 days, bring the var with me even though i wont be training, or wait till after i get back to start? i know the last one seems like the obvious choice but i'll just be asking the same question with MDW replacing WMC. your opinions?
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and shutdown your HPTA at that doseage. No test in your system won't leave you feeling very motivated.
That's way too much oral AAS for way too long.
so is your advice to cut down the dosage or the length?
Frankieimo a anavar only cycle is not a bad idea IF YOU KNOW HOW TO EAT RIGHT /REST AND TRAIN RIGHT and by the sounds of it you are not 100% commited (no offecne) var can be a great drug as it can yeiled some very good lean solid muscle without sides like bloat.gyno/high bp and its very mild on the hpta meaning a very recovery but to nail var you need to do it right and most dont know the right way to go about things so for that reason i would say unles you are 100% on what your doing dont waste your time and money bro and look at different aas
tread-mWhat does 100mg of anavar pounding your liver for 12 weeks have to do with eat right,train right and rest?
Frankiewant me to post link to a number of medical studies were it shows anadrol given to aids paintcens at upto 300mgs every day for 15 weeks plus with zero changes in liver values?
this 12 weeks of oral steroid use and shitting your liver out at the end of it is aload of old crap man i am not disrepecting your comments but its been said and parioted for years but wers the beef to back it up? do you know anyone that has had liver faiuler or any serious liver dammage due to aas use?
a high fat diet or drinking alcohol often is much much worse and we get millions of people doing that
tread-mMany studies I've read on it and many were funded by people against its use which I'm not so I don't take them into consideration. I tout var often as well as tbol, primo but enzymes begin their change at doses exceeding 50 mg ballpark in week 5, not going to die nor will he die with this cycle. An alcoholic does not die when he begins he dies later from cumulitive small damage over time. To encourage a pill muncher which is similar to a tweak in my book is wreckless and particularly with that number you just gave. So now not only have you helped convince people pills only is no bgi but you are driving the numbers that are ok up to 300. Btw, the reason var is being pulled from the market was due to a a study that proved how unsafe it was via testing at numbers lower than you show. So show me your study? The one I refer to is already posted here and btw I bashed that study as much as anyone because the money trail and the study itself were specifically designed to prove var unsafe. I don't have aids so how can they apply a study on patients with insufficient immune systems and some 100 other problems given no protocol other than "has aids". Don't get too caught up in studies unless you follow the money trail and make sure they are pure and without agenda. The aids patient study I refer to that is posted right here on this site was pure bullshit and I say that even though it would seemingly prove me right in our debate here. It was not science, it was agenda to try to remove var by placing it in a study at too high of a dose on people that are not considered "the general public". We will simply have to agree to disagree, oral only cycles are not safe and in particular when you can simply run injects that don't have first pass through the liver. There is toxic effect, mild with var (early) but mild is still the potential for damage if continued over time. So they think if its ok once its ok again and so on. Just makes no sense Frankie, its that simple. Lastly, I don't parrot anything I try to learn and help and I never said anything about shitting your liver out your ass so you may actually be thinking of someone else.
Guru indeed!!! Fucking Bravo Good Sir! Bravo:-)
Frankiethats your opinian bro and there is stil no beef to prove that oral steroid will have you shitting your liver out after 12 weeks,here in the uk blood tests are FREE and you can go to any clinic within 3 miles of most people and have a full check done ,these clinics are for steroids users and personaly know 3 people who work at these clinics ,liver value tests are one thing they do and i have seen the test results and there is no cause for concern and alot of people haveing these tests are abuseing steroids at sily doseing , i would be alot more concerned about hpta shut down from an injectable like nandrolone and its horrid effect of natural test production recovery than running a 12 week cycle of var at 100mgs ed .
this is the problem the things people dont understand (not saying you) about how to recover in the right manner (hpta) can lead to alot more seroius side effect (leading to hrt for the rest of your life) than a blast of oral which to infact anavar is very very mild on the hpta so there are other factors to look at rarther than just saying " jump on a cycle of injectables which in turn could lead to alot worse seroius sides than liver dammage to which the liver is the only organ that can repair itself .
tread-mYou asked if I wanted you to post the studies that show 300ed var does not cause liver enzymes to change. Yes please do. VERY INTERESTED in seeing those tonight if you can. I would like to go to work on them to see if there was agenda and just interested in them in general..can you post them now if handy? You said "all" the studies so yes please post all sounds like there are a lot of them which is exciting to me as I love research brother...thanks
Frankienot 300mgs of var 300 of anadrol to which is more toxic to the liver than anavar as anadrol is a divese from test undelatye ..
ill dig the studies for you to have a blast over man ,we all have our opinainas from what we know and it sometimes casues heat but ill make a thread totmorrow with these studies bro and we can go into depth into it .
tread-mOpinions don't mean anything to me, I want science so we are on the same page brother. If you have studies and there is no agenda and the money trail is clean then we have new discussions. Post the actual studies and universities etc. I like to find where the grants etc came from because 90% of these things were funded with a specific protocol to fail or succeed for the reasons of profit by the grantor. Seriously interested here ,not trying to punk you. I have a thousand reasons to show and believe liver enzymes change and dramatically at higher numbers beyond a month and if there is something to change that then change I will. I don't care about being right or wrong Frankie I care about facts so we're not arguing here we're debating...btw, again with the shit your liver out? Lol
Frankiei hear you mate and ill get the studies post asap bro ,they are from a uk universitie regarding aids vitams and they use of aas steroids to prevent muscle wasteing and funded by the uk goverment ( they fund anything if it gets them browie points)
sory about "shitting liver out" but thats the term used by many who just pariot but yeah ill be sure to post them up later tonight
tread-mThanks Frankie
Frankienp bro and sorry if i come across as an ass hole sometimes its just i am not the best at expressing my views sometimes and it can lead to me sounding like a bell end but am all good bro xx
tread-mI don't take this stuff too personally and I am passionate myself. Reminds me of Ron white when he was in a debate in school and when it was his turn he just said "oh yeah, WEL FUUUUUCK YOU". He said he thought he had one the debate since his opponent was speachless....lol. i enjoy it brother no offenece taken. We'll still go hard in the paint when those studies get posted but its all in fun! : )
tread-mRight liver enzymes will begin pretty notable change by week 5 at that dose and by 12 its going to be tweaked out like a 60 yr old alcoholic and thats before the alcohol he pounds down on spring break. Good healthy livin brother! Lol
tread-mI don't even know what to say to these anymore...
u know u like it big boy..
tread-mYuuup...lol
How bout not doing a anavar cycle and ruining your liver from the drinking you will be doing in WMC, and do a bit a research. I'm not trying to be an ass but this is probably the nicest response you'll get here. Do a bit of research on the forum theres about 10 other ppl asking about anavar. Look at the response they get.
i dont drink. or do any drugs that have negative affects on the liver.
tread-m10 other people, try 1000 other people. Its like they come in waves! I think I saw 10 of them in one day a while back.