Recently added collagen types I and II.
Seems to help w/ joint pain more than the osteo biflex msm.

I see below the word 1RM............ how many fkn times do i have to state Bodybuilders do not train like this.

Regarding your pains............. its natural when you start to lean out, nobody can get away from it... its all about fluid levels in Bursa sacs............. welcome to lean world lmao!

Had the same problem. Like everybody says, I switched to Dumbbells and concentrated on the contraction instead of the weight for a bit. I quite incline press for a while and in particular incline flys. Turmeric and vitamin C helps with any tendon inflammation. Msm helps with the pain. Omega 3 too for good measure.

Yea I learned the hard way and ruptured my distal tendon. Ouch and it put me out of the game for a few months. I know it feels great to lift more than ever before but try slowing down and easing into heavier lifts.

Make sure you are not overusing aromatase inhibitors. Low estrogen levels may cause joint pain.

Drop your weight and bang out some reps instead.

the pain is a result of getting too big too strong too fast... your body has to catch up the muscle growth.. change up your training go lighter with mid to high range reps with very little rest. you can try deca or npp but those just mask things.. therapuetic doses are taken over a long period of time and no so much for "cycling" purposes. I deal with this at least twice a year and it just means that you need to back it off .. use ice as needed.. try not to use nsaids as they interfere with muscle recovery

The reality is that when you get much stronger over a short period of time there isn't much you can do to avoid pain and injuries. Adding Deca or Npp might mask the pain, but its still likely you'll pick up an injury if you keep going heavier, and even joint supplements and the like, while helpful, aren't going to be able to compensate for the fact that your muscles and strength levels are increasing faster than your joints and tendons The only real solution to this that I've found is try and increase the reps at a lighter (although still heavy) weight, rather than adding more weight to the bar, and this method will still increase your strength but avoid putting too much of a load on your joints. I was in largely the same position, and really while stretching and foam rolling were helpful with recovery from any minor injuries that occurred with heavy lifting, in terms of preventative methods, there's nothing that will allow your joints and tendons to catch up with your muscles other than time.

Pillow between knees whilst sleeping on the side.

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Same here,once hot and fatigued a bit it feels ok for up to 4-5 hrs,then comes the pain again,that's when I push against the basketball.

I'm doing fwd and reverse overhead lifts on the bench press machine
but it's low weight and fatigue comes quickly,often it's just the one 15 lb plate on the machine.
Then hot tub.

"thats where most of my pain is, from incline benchpresses."

Same here.

My pain is in the back,between the shoulder blades,interesting yours hurts in front.
+my stabilizers are weak also,I use the Smith,hoping building the major muscle groups help the stabilizer muscles to grow- quicker than addressing them via low weight high rep bench press rows.

Also,I'm doing npp and nandro with var,it helps a bit + osteo biflex.
Fish oils,cissus,ect..

Been doing cable pull downs+ side pulls on circuit
every time at the gym,it is #1 priority.

Also,pushing against a rubber ball whilst lying in the bed,some foam roller work,basketball works well also.

Fr sent,I would like to be kept in the loop on what you figure out.

Like Pale said down below, I avoid the smith machine completely. I have had 2 shoulder injuries that kept me from lifting in the past 18 months, one was impingement (stopped doing upright rows), and the other was a partial tear and bicep tendinitis. Ever since then I no longer use barbells for chest or shoulders, it's always dumbbells for me. The pain comes and goes but it's no where Near as bad, and doesn't last more then a day...

this may sound obvious but concentrate harder on the muscle contraction rather than the movement. yea you can push the weight but the concentration should be on maximum muscle damage which only comes from maximum stimulation. shoulders shouldnt hurt bad from incline presses unless you happen to have an injury that flares up with any pressing movement. also try staying on the bottom half of the movement for presses...the top half is mostly tricep anyways and usually where people roll their shoulders out of the lift causing injury.

Are ypu taking all the nezsasry fish oil flax msm condrotian?
I highly suggest animal flex easy to take, great brand also.

For me it's different, it's reps not weight that cause me more pain in my shoulder. Pressing 100kgs x8 is less painful than 50kg x25. Reality is we aren't getting any younger and you've got to work around these sort of injuries rather than trying to ram them head on.

Try tb 500?

Pain sucks. I am a month or so out from being able to cycle back on again and brother my left shoulder is pissed right now. It seems like every time late in PCT I have one shoulder (rotator) or the other in great pain until I get back on cycle and it disappears. Injured my hip this PCT as well but that seems to be slowly improving. I was able to squat for the first time in a few weeks. So at least that has improved.

Only thing that's even remotely helped my terrible joints is nandrolone. You could try a product called osteio biflex. It's a joint support supp that helped me a little bit. And just really warm up thoroughly. Take it nice and slow building up to your heavy sets.