New to the site, need advice from experienced bulkers haha
Hello there I am new to the community but have been scouring the site for information for a few years, best forum I have seen for a few reasons.
Anyway I have been going to gym for on and off 4 years, the past 2 years I have been consistent with training and diet, I am also on my 3rd cycle just now. Here are my stats
Height - 6ft 1
Weight - 200/205lbs
Bf - I don’t know but can barely see my abs anymore and overall quite soft .
Here is my question, I am eating 6 meals a day comes to about 4000 calories I train 4 days a week intense and shorter style training, I cannot get past 205lbs it seems without getting fatter, is this my genetic limit or do I need to take more AAS to see gains? I am constantly getting. Stronger in gym maybe stick with that before adding more calories?
If you read all that thank you for your time and please give me any advice you can, I don’t know any bodybuilders!
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This forum rules! Wish I had much experience to share with this community but for now I will be soaking it all up thanks to all who replied I know what I need to do now
Going about this all wrong. I see you just getting fatter with less and less muscle. If you want to gain predominantly muscle on a bulk you need to start your bulk in lean state. Start with a higher percentage of BF and you just get fatter and not as much muscle.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/scientific-proof-lower...
Kind of wasting a cycle right now. Need to be in shape first and then start cycle if you want to maximize gains. I would lose the weight then bulk up naturally since you have alot of natty potential left and then hit a cycle to reach your goal. I would envision if you do this right you would be ready to run a cycle in 6-9 months.
This is very true Mak, we all been there
Unfortunately we have
ok iv read that mate, I’m not sure what body fat I am but I doubt I’m above 15percent but get that checked, makes perfect sense what your saying there, as for natural potential I doubt that very much but I could definitely get leaner naturally. Thanks for your input man I think iv got all the puzzle pieces I just need to put them in the right order if ya know what I mean.
You need to figure out your tdee and dial in your diet..then cut or bulk..you can't really have it both ways you will never get the results you want..when u bulk fat gain is inevitable..check out makwa's post on cyclic bulking..might be what your looking for
Thanks dude
Diet and correctly balanced nutrition is the key here. Fat storage will increase when off season no matter what you do but the key is to have it under control.
I like to have an outskirts of my abs seem off season.
You need to decide whether seeing your abs or more important or if your trying to gain weight is more important. Your not going to do both if your already “quite soft.” My advice would be stop worrying about what the weight scale says for now. Honestly knowone gives a fack, it’s about looking good and feeling good. I mean it just makes no sense that your wanting to get past 205 and be chubby. It’s unhealthy for one, and two your wasting money on gear. Get your diet in check hard, you need to re-evaluate the way your doing things. I don’t like the Keto diet personally but in this situation, go keto for a month, I think it would get you to 185 and leaner. Up your cardio and abs. Once your at a low bf %, then run your cycle and continue to eat clean, and then the clean gains will appear. Know one wants to be 230lbs, 25% bf and half way through a cycle. Hope you listen before your really fat.
Did u get a little chubby to get to where u r now or were you lean the whole time? I don’t plan on getting any fatter than this haha for me it’s important to get to 230lbs
Diet and exercise will rule in your case! A strict and proper diet along with the right workout and you should see some results!
AAS with a high bodyfat are no good at all. It’s best to lean up first and then AAS help with the rest.
Try changing your routine every month. Do volume for a month and see what happens.
Change your exercises or the order you do then in.
Thank you for reply, Il take that into consideration
Thank you for replying guys, i forgot to add I’m 2 weeks into 600mg test e and 50mg anadrol everyday was going to use the anadrol 2 weeks on and off through out 12 week cycle, I don’t eat any junk food 6 meals a day was eating 5 for 3 weeks before cycle but upped it to 6 last week. Iv noticed fat gain since adding in 6th meal,should I really add in more food I don’t want to get much fatter , as I said I’m getting stronger by the week but my weight doesn’t budge. I’m willing to do whatever it takes I can eat all day with my job.
Age: 25
Height: 6ft 1
Weight: 205
With those stats and you cant see your abs, you need to up your training and drop the twinkies. More gear will not help you, less junk food and more cardio/training will help you better.
Do you do cardio when u bulk? I see different theories on it if it means I can eat more and not get fat I would do it, currently just do weights and stretching. Thanks
You want to see your abs? Drop the bulk and up the cardio.
I want get to lyk 230 mate at least, u got to get chubby to get big no? I see your 206lbs at 5ft 6, did u stay lean all the way there or did u go bear mode lol
Actually I started at 270 and 30% bf. I have to up my stats as I'm at 13%bf and 213 now. Stick with the basics.
Ah we’re opposite then, I’m skinny ass bitch naturally haha
I was too until I got older. I was 130-140 all my life until I hit 30. For one year when I was 24 I was 175 and 8%bf but that was because of prison and I ate properly and got plenty of rest.
Same here bro..couldn't gain weight for the life of me when I was younger..strong and ripped but couldn't put mass on like I can now
That sucked, in general we all want to be big mass monsters when we’re younger and then lean and healthier later in life
Thanks for replies I’m going to update the forum at end of cycle I’m going to keep it the same just now as I’m getting stronger maybe include some cardio before adding another meal , plenty time to cut for summer tho aye mate haha, can u hav a quick look at my nutrition at bottom of page let me know what u think?
if you want abs to go with your mass, cut those carbs down a lot more to about 250. You wont be as strong, but you will stay on top of too much fat mass easier.
For the first: I think you need more food, not more gear!
For the second: This is a totally meaningless question, if you don't post what and how much you're running actually...
Thanks for replying, I just wonder if more gear would partition the nutrients better as I seem to be getting fatter of what I’m eating
Nope. AAS won't make up for a shitty diet.
Hi man thanks for weighing in ,it’s all clean food I’m eating , i think maybe it may just be too much for me just now? Although a lot of folk saying 4000 cals is not enough for 205 6ft1. Iv been researching this all day maybe I’m eating too much fat and not enough carbs? Can you hav a look below and see what u think I’m not caring about being shredded just now I want to get bigger but it seems food mostly turning into fat ,looked bigger today in gym though as I said getting gradually stronger with steroids for sure. Going to read these articles you wrote up when I get the time tonight! Cheers
If I eat 4K calories when I am 10% BF 80% or more of the weight I put on will be lean mass. If I eat 4K cals at 15%+ BF, that ratio flips to probably 80% fat gain and only 20% lean tissue. Often it is not a matter of eating to many cals, it is a matter of your BF%. Your nutrient partitioning is jacked towards lean body mass when lean hence why you need to be lean when starting a bulk if you want to gain more muscle than fat.
You probably do need 4K+ cals to grow but until you lose the BF to adjust your nutrient partitioning, the only growing you will do will be mostly fat.
Wow thanks man that really makes sense, kinda of gutted that I may hav to end this bulk though. I need to find away of measuring my body fat ASAP
I wouldn't take more gear to see gains. Increasing calories will be your best bet. I'm sure someone more experienced in diet will chime in
Great job in asking for help before uping the dose.. no need to up the dose !! 200-205 4,000 calories is low.
You should tell us your macros,
Calories,carbs,fat,protein Sometime just by upping fats and lowering carbs or vice versu wil ignite your current cycle easier than adding more gear
4000 is low??
Just calculated what im eating using MyFitnessPal
Calories- 4380
Carbs- 435
Protein- 297
Fat- 150
Eggs and oatmeal for breakfast, around 100g (uncooked weight) rice with steak, mince or fish. One meal is a shake made from oats banana peanut butter and whey isolate
Everyone is different bro. See I can eat those macros (I actually am right now, almost exactly the same) and put on a ton of size. I’m up 30 pounds sitting around 250-255. But obviously for you it’s not enough.
Makwa has some great forums on cyclical bulking and cutting. Basically you take mini breaks in your bulk or cut to reset and either trim some fat on a bulk or fill out some lost size on a cut.
I would advise if you’ve been linear so far to try something like that, drop carbs and up cardio for a couple weeks then come back harder, and add another 100 carbs to your macros. Naturally skinny guys just need more calories to put on the size.
Interesting so despite you being heavier you require less calories? Must be my massive gut absorbing all the calories. How long did it take you to get to 250 maybe I just need more time?
Yeah I’m naturally a fat ass. So my metabolism is very slow. It’s much faster now than when I started since adding a lot of muscle but I still suffer from the easy to bulk difficult to cut thing. Probably the complete opposite of yourself.
Took about 10 years of training 4-7 days a week. And very strict dieting. Now it’s mostly maintenance but when I was in my early 20’s just trying to get big I’d slam 5k cals a day and aim for 500 grams of protein. I don’t know if I’d recommend it but it always worked for putting on size for me.
Thanks for the reply man , I’m relieved to here your of the opposite body type and it took you time to make those gains, was beggining to think i sucked genetically, kind of like the little jew from the Big Bang theory. But I guess it will just take time I want to be 230 by summer but maybe that’s not feasible without being a fat cunt.
I negged you for the needless anti-semitic comment. Don’t know why you need to use offensive language for no reason bro. I’m sure there are forums you can take that to where they will welcome you with open arms.
Wow there was nothing anti Semitic there but that’s fine dude, il keep my stupid sense of humour to myself from now on lol