Very Experienced - 1st Cycle questions
Hey everyone, some background info. I'm 30, have been natural my whole life, I began lifting at 15 and have been very serious since (4xwk+ per week). I'm a pro men's physique competitor (natural), and have finished 1st in my class in 3 other non tested NPC MP competitions. I've been a trainer for ten years, have a B.S. in Exercise Science, have worked daily in gym leadership since I was 22, and have tried most other supps outside of real gear.
I did do Ostarine last year and really liked that, great energy, pumps, crazy gym energy, but the site I used is now down.
I respect everyone's opinions here, I'm totally new to cycling. I feel I have maxed out my genetic potential and am looking to experiment slowly with some other things. I literally have not chatted about cycles with anyone and have been totally out of the conversation there with my circle.
Looking for advice, in total on a first cycle, minimal sides is my main concern. I had thought about doing anavar with nolvadex post. Is this out of bounds? Also I'm completely new to purchasing as well.
So essentially I'm looking for a step by step guide here, from a legit and thoughtful source.
Also, I'm not looking to do injectables.
Thanks in advance, looking forward to the feedback!
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If IM is off the table, do your guts a big favor and just stay natural. Otherwise, it’s really easy to find the information you need on this site. And every experienced gear head is going to recommend Test only your first go. Good luck
basskiller89Hey brother,
Never heard of a pro doing oral cycles lol I think that a beginner cycle is generally 500mg of test e a week alongside an ai. There's no way I'd tell anyone to do a var and nolvadex cycle. I wouldn't expect much from an oral only cycle, a lot of guys use them to kickstart oral cycles. I'm not a fan, I stick to test only and I'm pretty big. PCT you should look into compounds like Nolvadex + Clomid + HCG with bloodwork
Thanks so much for the info! As mentioned I'm 100% new to any and all things oral and injectable. Will take your advice into consideration, thoughts on SARMs?
basskiller89I couldn't tell you I never got into sarms, just test cycles. A lot of the guys on here have experience with sarms, ask around
Rustyhookerhttps://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/are-you-truly-re...
Stats, goals, priors
Thanks everyone, open to all suggestions. If anyone wants to pm, know of any reliable and quality sources for SARMS , Ostarine etc?
Stats 5'7" @ 168lbs @ 10%bf.. Imo, u have alot more room in ur genetic potential, which u shld know since ur a pro trainer and have a bs. I'm thinking ur scared of the extra cals because u dont want to gain bf%.. Carbohydrates will be ur best friend cycle or no cycle.
RustyhookerAlso, I'm not looking to do injectables.
Theres the door ------------>>
basskiller89lol I'm not alone here
RustyhookerIm just confused that dude states
Sorry buddy just sounds fake
Sounds like the last three posts about training for years and need advise.
RustyhookerIts always the dudes come on with degrees and uber educated that cant even answer a 3rd grade question. All resume but not much else. Offended like a snowflake in the sun. Lol.
Lol nothing fake about me. I am NGA Pro Physique, have won placed 1st in three other NPC MP comps, including two in a row, class B. I've won those NPC shows being natural in a non-tested environment. Truly natural.
Physique classes go by height not weight. And yes, B.S. Exercise science, certification, have 10 years gym leadership experience and started a fitness coaching business a year and a half ago, with over 200 clients.
I've been bodybuilding, with every technique (although always learning and looking to learn) out there.
For those wondering I've gone through the carb and calorie cycles lol. 15 years. I've eaten up to 7k cals a day. At a certain point, you're just curious what could be next. I have a couple dings that bother me, mileage injuries, so going crazy heavy, is at best a careful proposition.
My inquiry was legit, honest and thoughtful. Looking for honest opinion, advice, help. I'm not saying I'm committed to a cycle, I'm simply curious what those who have traveled that road have to say on the subject.
I appreciate all feedback, and although I have these accomplishments, as mentioned I'm open and eager to learn and accept help and advice. Once again, thanks to those who have chimed in!
If anyone would like to PM, please do so. Thanks again.
RustyhookerSo to fit in with tge cool guys on stage youre gonna possibly lose your pro status? Jump weight class? Or just another long paragraph of words?
Seems like these new dudes gotta be hand held and asked twice. Jeeze....
And if somehow the claim is you cant gain mass without roids.......bullcrap. pick a road dude.
edit....first time ive ever heard being pro as maxed out....
what's with the attitude here man? You mad or something?
Who are "the cool guys" on stage?
Again, physique classes are by height, not weight.
I am not looking to compete again, natural org or NPC. 7 shows is enough. This is a personal goal and question. Nothing to do with competing. I've had my time in that.
Lol, sure, "dude".
RustyhookerFinding out your GOALS is how you get help. You came here wanting to run a girl cycle while bragging how hardcore knowledgeable you are and it made no sense.
Obviously after many funky replies you cannot read what folks asked. Which shows your not able to chat, read or comprehend.
Hey i wanna buy a car!! Can i get help picking one?
Alphamale500You can't run just anavar by itself. Test should always be the base of any cycle. And if you're worried about side effects, then you should forget about orals and stick with injectables. But keep in mind that even with injectables, you're gonna have to accept the fact that you can develop some side effects.
For a first cycle, testosterone by itself is preferable. Research and bloodwork are very important when running gear, and you should research everything as much as you can. Until you've done your necessary research and know all the ins and outs of the compounds you're using, ancilliaries, sides and how to combat them, proper dosing, where and how to pin, bloodwork markers, etc then you shouldn't start your cycle.
Good luck with everything and welcome to eroids bro!
Thanks! What would make Anavar something you wouldn't want to run by itself? Definitely a lot of learning to do on it all.
Anavar only will shut you down, suppress natural testosterone. You need to run it with a test base to avoid negative impact on your system. You’re gonna just have to accept pinning man. It’s part of the BB game.
Orals destroyed my stomach after many cycles , now I need a surgery cause my cardia strikes...stay away from thrm
Is that the actual outcome of it now mate?
Best way is to find out for yourself, more educated you are, better chances you have to succeed and stay healthy. Don’t rely on what guys in the gym or on the forums are telling you, do your own research before you touch any hormones. You may even change your mind after you have read all the info
If you're not willing to pin you're better off sticking to otc supplements. An oral only cycle will not only give you sides(that you're trying to avoid) but also no keepable gains after the oral is discontinued and right back where you started but with a lower functioning hpta.
NO ORAL CYCLES! Do some research and come up with a simple Test only cycle in moderate doses and learn PCT and have it ready!
Ever heard pin it to win it
I’ve always gone with “Pinning is Winning”.
Ah close anology your a smart man
I would be overly keen to see what a true natural physique competitor looks like who’s maxed out his natural limits as I really don’t have a clue what’s achievable natural.
Respect for all your accomplishments.
If you’re not gonna pin then stick to creatine and cals/ macros
You’re gonna have to pin man, oral only is a mistake and depending on what orals you would run can be very dangerous to your health. Since you’ve never done aas your body’s response to a test only cycle will be impressive.
Having a pro card I'm surprised you would ask here..
Theres a search function at the top of the page that's very useful.
Injectable or not at all brother.
×2 and test only.
It comes down to a decision you’ve gotta make.
Are you willing to sacrifice your health, life, ability to reproduce, hair, skin, and in some cases peace of mind for gains. If so then a little pin prick really shouldn’t matter much next to that stuff. If not then please do not proceed down this path, as those are prerequisites.
Nothing wrong with staying natural btw.
Ps if you do your research you’ll learn that minimal sides and zero test cycles rarely cross paths
i tried doing ostarine last year aswell except i had no noticable increases or gains in str whatsoever and before i could even finish 3 weeks my nuts and libido shut off completely and then i freaked out and took clomid 25-50mg for 2 months straight. last time i will ever try sarms, its bullshit or atleast it doesnt work for me or i got scammed. anyway theres good info here bro but you might need to look around a bit people give good advice but dont seem to want to spoon feed i tried that aswell. i can tell just from what ive read around here you're going to get smacked around for saying u dont want to do injectables. good luck to you tho mayn
Injectables are a requirement to play.
DivineHhaha thats right!