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Hi, I was recently convinced by myself to purchase a beginner cycle. The cycle goes as follows:
Week 1-2 30 mg Dbol ED
Week 3-6 30 mg Dbol ED & 10 mg Nolva ED
Week 7-8 50 mg Clomid ED
I'm 18 years old 5'8 172 lbs with around 13% BF
This will be my first time taking gear. I know that i'm too young and all to be taking this stuff, but I figured it was a mild cycle and it wouldn't do much harm on my body considering 2 weeks of pct and taking nolva during the majority of the cycle. I've been training for 3 years as well.
My question is what kind of sides should I expect?
Thanks for the help
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I've done oral only - var & tbol - on separate runs. I made gains for sure, but each time the recovery was tough, even with PCT.
I wouldn't be so certain on doing no harm. My body took quite some time to recover from my last run, and convinced me that orals alone are not the way to go.
But if you choose to go ahead, I wish you the best.
You need to look at age before you give advice...
Yep, I saw. I was hoping to help convince him to go the other way. I was being a bit milder to see if that would help, as other advice wasn't really changing his mind.
It's possible it was a bad way to go, but I gave it a shot. Apologies to those who took offense, and if it was a bad attempt.
beastboy41What kind of dose were you taking?
With var, I ran 40 once, then 60 another time, about a year later.
Then I did tbol at 40 about 6 months after that.
First time with var, I did no PCT. Got told I didn't need it and I believed it. The next two times I did Nolva 40/40/20/20 and it helped, but after the last tbol run, I was very tired, wasn't making good gains, and was getting lots of minor injuries, particularly sprains to ligaments.
Now, about 4 months later, feeling back to normal and getting ready to go on a test only run, with hcg all the way through and Nolva at the end.
Hopefully that lets me come off and not need 4 months of being irritable and cranky until I'm back to normal.
I did see strength and muscle gains on oral only, don't get me wrong. Went from 150 to 185 over that two years. But compare that to people who've gained almost that on one test cycle, it makes me wish I'd done that from the start.
No advice under 25 means no advice, don't even talk about what you did because to me it sounds like you gave him a cycle to go on. consider yourself lucky as hell A mod didn't ban you for this shit.
Oh, my. Definitely apologize in that case. I guess I haven't become as acquainted as I should be with the rules. I didn't recall seeing that one, though it does make sense. I wish I could delete that post since it reflects poorly, and not at all what I intended in the discussion.
Sorry again, folks. I will certainly shut my mouth as far as advice goes until I've been around here a bit longer.
Just be careful, these young kids don't get answers so they start fishing, you unfortunately got hooked. I didn't neg you because we all make mistakes. Live and learn brother.
I have successfully been fished :( Damn, feeling like a fool on a Friday night. I suppose I should stop trying and horribly failing to help, and go do some work at the gym then
beastboy41Yeah they say var has pretty minimal sides. With anything you take for over a week though you'll need a PCT. I wish you luck on your next cycle bro. Thanks for the info.
What the actual fuck are you doing? HE'S EIGHT FUCKING TEEN
Yep, fair point. But people who yelled at him before weren't getting any headway. I thought I'd chime in with my limited experience and share the mistakes I made. Let him make his own decision, even if it's a wrong one.
Perhaps the wrong approach, but I don't think yelling at him or calling him an idiot will change his mind or get through to him.
I hope he makes the right call.
No, he's a fuckstick. If you can't make headway with a child you grab the belt and whip the ass.
Way I was brought up. Works perfect with my two boys. Wife is fine with it. I've refined it to a point that just putting my hand on my belt buckle now restores order instantly. LOL
In my household the belt was a rarity, it was usually just easier to land a good slap on the ass and let it sting. But when that belt came out, you took it like a champ and held still without making a sound. I knew the minute I did something wrong I would regret it, and owned up to it immediately. My father raised me in an old school way, and I'd like to think I'm much better off for it.
Fair enough. Apologies if it was a bad route to take.
I'll give you a +2. You've owned the mistake, learn from it and how things are handled here.
Appreciate that. I've just joined and have been reading posts for the past couple hours, and got a little excited over the knowledge I see, and was hoping I could help in some way. Clearly not a good way. I shall continue my reading and learning, and thank you for the correction.
You're such a fucking twit you know that? Are you that dense that you shoot down a pro, a PRO, who's been in the game for near two decades?
You're asking for TRT kid, just as I was at your age.
If I could ask, based on that last line you changed your mind and went a different way. What was it that convinced you?
I didn't go a different way, and I'm paying the price for it now, at 25... I've had quite a few successes turning younger guys away from this stuff so that they don't end up in my shoes, but as you can see those are few and far between.
That's tough. There's nothing to do now for someone in your shoes as far as reversing anything?
Good on you for fighting hard to keep others from making your mistakes. People need to make their own mistakes a lot of times, but it's certainly preferable if in case like this, they learn from others instead of making the same one.
Nope, these kids are always under the it won't be me impression, or that if something happens to them they'll be ok with it. Things start to get a lot more complicated once you get older and start thinking more maturely about life. We try to cut them off before they can get to that point and regret it.
I'm 26 made the same mistakes he is bout to only a bit more stupid sust and adrol50 19 years old and not only did I run it like a dumbass I ran it for about 6 months.. I'm already fucked up from it can't keep a hard on for shit no energy feeling just shitty all the time he will get it.
Dang really? I and others here must not have much experience. I'm 38. I've been competing for 15 years and have a room filled with trophies. But, what the fuck would I know? Your friend is a moron. Go right a head and start shooting your ass with gear. Don't waste any time. Before long, your sperm count will be 0 and your testosterone level will look like a 90 year old man. I say this with confidence. Why? Cause you fucking don't shoot gear when your own production of testosterone is at it's lifetime high. All you have to do to fuck up your balls is make some little mistakes which you are gonna make. You wanna kiss marriage and a family good bye, just go ahead and do it. No woman wants a man that is shooting blanks. I can't stop you because I'm just an anonymous Internet stranger. If you were my son and wouldn't back off the juice idea, I would spank you until you bled. If that didn't make an impression I would ramp it up and thrash you so bad you wouldn't be able to go near a gym for months. Sticking hypodermic needles in your ass at 18. You start messing around with shit and you could easily be a candidate for a coronary or a stroke in a short period of time. For your sake, I hope your friend has access to gym dealer gear. That shit is made God knows where. Maybe you'll be lucky and the gear won't be perfectly clean. It'll have a microbe or two in the bottle and you'll get a nice abscess. That will give you some time to rethink your very stupid idea.
Go ahead and look. This is the real deal. Oh, I forgot, this couldn't happen to you. LMFAO
http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/articles/article-glute-abscess.aspx
That abcess is frightening. I haven't seen stories like that often, but have certainly seen more than one. Presumably it's fairly rare if you're being careful, but scary it can happen even if you are careful.
Usually not a failure to observe sterile procedure, but, of course it can happen that way. More commonly a result of dirty gear. That's what eroids is really about - reviewing steroid suppliers. If a source on this site ever put out a bottle of dirty gear and that could be proven satisfactorily - they would get torched and bounced out of here for sure. There are all manner of issues with suppliers that get reviewed on this site to inform the community but sterility is not something I would worry about with approved suppliers.
beastboy41I'll let you know how it turns out.
You won't because you won't know how it turns out. You know nothing of the blood tests needed before during and after a cycle and after PCT. You may be gyno prone. You don't know how to deal with that either. You're gonna run raw test without any ancillaries and expose yourself to the possibility of bitch tits. Maybe son, that's what needs to happen. That will stop you. Truly it will. When you inject testosterone, it aromatizes into estradiol in the male body (E2), one of the three estrogens. As estrogen rises in your body, all manner of unpleasant side effects will manifest unless you control it. You won't know how high your estrogen is rising without blood work.
The bottom line is that your friend is NOT an older experienced strength athlete, powerlifter or bodybuilder. If he were older and experienced there is no fucking way on this earth he would advise an 18 year old male to shoot steroids. He would know better and if he were truly your friend he would be looking out for you and watching your back. He's not doing any of those things.
beastboy41nolva is one hell of a drug gramps
Yeah baby. Sure is. Too bad it is just a SERM that will have no effect on lowering estradiol. LMAO (But, I'm sure your friend already told you that). Nor, will it restore fertility after a cycle ends. (But, you know that also.)
So, tell me, what drug do you need after a cycle to increase sperm production? Hint. Ain't tamoxifen.
Don't be an idiot bro, you will fuck yourself up regardless of what you think or see other people your age doing. They may seem "fine" but i guarantee you they won't be, and neither will you. Just don't. If it helps you change your mind, this is the dumbest cycle I've seen in a while, so a whole other reason to just NOT DO IT.
beastboy41Even from 1 cycle bro? I honestly just need a boost to get back on track since I've been demotivated to train as hard as i used to. What would be a better cycle for me?
This isn't for you man, AAS don't motivate you... Stick to being natural and maybe take a little break for a week from lifting. Reset your mood. You've just burnt out is all.
beastboy41I get depressed and really lazy when I take time off from the gym. Not going to the gym will probably make the situation worse. I'm trying to get back into my prime and I hate going down the same road again to reach a physique that I had before.
I our burnt out bro. What motivated you in the first place and why has that disappeared?
beastboy41It started as a little bench press competition between a few friends of mine. We bet on who could get the higher bench by the end of the month. From there on I just kept on working hard in the gym. I later incorporated a proper diet and proper training. What really motivated me was the gains. I loved seeing myself increase in weight on the scale I'd step on each week. Compliments from family and friends really drove me to keep on going as well.
Not trying to belittle you, but you're doing it for the wrong reasons bro. I understand a little competition is healthy, I've been there. Don't pay attention to the scale, pay attention to the mirror. And as much as I love getting compliments from other guys on my progress and women, there is no better compliment then crushing a new PR. If your gains are slowing, post up your TDEE and what your diet looks like. We'll take a crack at it and help you restart that growth.
beastboy41I appreciate your attempt to help me, but I've already made up my mind now. If you really want to help me, you can pm me things I should do while on cycle. I decided to go on a test E and anavar cycle recommended to me by a friend whose got experience.
Well then... Out the door you go fuckstick.
I'm not going to say this respect. This is the dumbest thing I have ever seen. You're going to crash and burn youngster you'll see.
Yolo
You're 18, you're not even in your prime. I mean this with respect, but you are immature.
No shit here. Creatine and BCAA. All you need.
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Jesus, 18 years old, tired of lifting and eating, no understanding of AAS, and a half assed cycle to boot.
What kind of sides should you expect? NONE, because you are not going to be running a cycle.
You have a lot more to learn. At 18, if thats your true age... :-/..your HPTA is still maturing....this is why the rules here at eroids states no advice to people under 25 yrs old. You can get diet and exercise advice only. Thanks!
Absolutely not be 18 years old. Do not do it. You'll fuck yourself up. Eat lift sleep rinse repeat.
beastboy41Why not? Loads of people have started at this age and were completely fine. I'm tired of eating and lifting. The gains are slowing down and it's demotivating.
Then this game isn't a good choice for you.
At 18? Life's tough eh?