posted Sun, 11/25/2018 - 18:44
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Npp, test p, mast p cycle
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Hey guys I’m 37 looking to cycle what I mentioned in the title. Not my first cycle by far just looking to take a good low dose cycle for about 20 wks. Was thinking of doing 100mg of each every 72 hrs please tell me what u think and if I should change anything? Thx in advance!
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PcushionYou have a ton of great feedback from some really experienced people here so definitely listen and absorb what was given. If your only question left is about the cycle then this is how I would go about it If my goals where the same as yours and my stats where the same I would get bloodwork first then if everything is g2g I would run test and mast. I prefer long acting esters so it would be enanthate on both for me. I like my dose on both of those at 400 mg. In my body nandrolone doesn’t compliment cutting or fat loss so I wouldn’t include it but that’s just me. Some people like to play with a little T3 or clen to accelerate fat loss and that’s a personal choice. I personally don’t anymore but once again that’s just me. I wish you luck on your current endeavor.
Appreciate the info bud. I decided I will do just that test e and mast e 400 each split twice a week. I’m dropping weight fairly easy so hopefully by February I should be ready for my first pin.
PcushionCongratulations on the progress and glad you find my personal experience beneficial to your goal.
Ok so it’s been a while since I’ve actually cycled anything(3yrs). So my stats r 37yo, 225lbs, 17% body fat, 6’ tall. My goals for this cycle is to get down to 200 lbs and harden the muscle I currently have. I have started my diet to drop weight about 2000 calories a day eating fish, chicken, beef with veggies. I’ve taken test e at 400mg/wk and mast e at 600mg/wk and it worked really well for me in the past. So my question is what cycle would u recommend for my goals.
That is way to severe of a calorie drop. Looking at your stats your TDEE is probably around 3500 cals give or take. You will suffer metabolic fatigue quite rapidly with those limited cals and likely lose a fair bit of muscle in the process. Losing weight is easy, just don't eat like you would be doing. Loosing fat and keeping muscle which is what we want to do takes a bit more intelligent diet planning. If you are dropping more than 2lbs/wk you need to up cals since you are then likely starting the process of metabolic fatigue and probably losing lbm along with the fat.
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Lose the weight first and then maybe think about a cycle. Will run into more sides at that BF. Taking steroids to get into shape isnt going to burn as much fat as you think it will. Its not some magical potion. If you were already lean it would be a different story, but your not. Focus on losing weight in the kitchen. Steroids are for those who Are already on top of their shit and ready to take things to a different level
Oh yes I will definitely lose the weight first, but what cycle would u recommend
What’s your current state and what is the goal of all this?
Yah that is a lot of pins so prolly gonna go with test e and mast e. My goals for this cycle are to gain 10 lbs of real lean muscle, and retain it.
What would be the point of using mast? It is a piss poor tissue builder.
PcushionMan I fell in love with mast over the years. It helps my body keep estrogen in check which in turn holds back water weight. Plus if you are lean enough it provides a great hard grainy look. I totally agree it doesn’t build muscle but again it’s really just an esthetic drug on a visible level at least.
Dosing wrong for his cycle, it will keep any water away, basically no gains from it but a bit of vascularity, a bit of aggression and it will harden/ condition/ polish nandro gains, bit I'm with you def needs tweaking.
Much better ways.
Its getting popular to run mast p at end of DECA cycles for the hardening and conditioning, I used to whack it in EOD for 4-6 weeks at end of my test/ DECA/ drol bulks and it worked great in those situations and helped transition into pct nicely.
Looks he is trying to do a bulk with test and mast now
If he wants to bulk should just do a decent dose of test.
RustyhookerTest provi and follow makwas food forums. Boom!
jayiskNo Rusty.., thats to simple. How could that work. And actually take the time to really read and learn from all the knowledge.,and the time.., Makwas puts into his forum posts..,ha
you may gain 10 pounds , that is provided your diet is in order.
2.5-4lbs of lean muscle is what your looking at provided you stay disciplined in the gym and with your diet.
you will lose the rest post cycle, even with hormones bro it takes years of hard work and discipline.
Not happening.
Go to your local butchers and ask the person manning the counter to stack 10 lbs of their leanest meat onto the scale. Then look at it, envision it being distributed onto your body, and understand how absurd an amount of lean muscle that is.
People don’t quite grasp how much muscle 10 lbs is until they see it lol
That’s a good point, 10 pounds of lean muscle mass may take couple years to gain unless you are Ramy
Im scared to know how much gear Ramy is taking.
Ball park seems to be 10g + a week plus 20/30iu's growth and a tonne of the other biggy from what I've read. Then on top huge awesome natural genetics and appetite.
jayiskProb uses a 10 cc syringe to get all that gear in. Plus he is prob. on 5 or 6 different PEDs. And that number would go up around contest time with cutting.
The Pro BB's from the late 90's when this massive amount of gear and the other 2 PEDs came into play. Which they ran at ridiculous levels.
Yeah, the mass monster with the more is better and their intestines actually grow so much they have beer guts with abs.
I've seen a lot of the guys come out now and say it was a mistake to take it to that level.
Thats a ton of oil, he certainly has enough muscle to disperse it properly LOL. Im guessing the other one is in the 100's of IU's per day as well. Jesus thats a lot of shit.
Cute cycle length and increase the pinning to ED or EOD like Press said, or go to longer esters and decrease the pinning!
I've not seen a lot of people running mast prop and NPP together - is it because Masteron is quite a good strength androgen? 72 hours between injections on prop esters is wayyy too long to leave it mate. It'll take ages to get a decent build up of hormone with that amount of time gap and you'll feel rough and tired by the time you pin. Ideally ED is always going to be the most productive but EOD will still work well.
I honestly can't tell you how powerful Mast is for strength as I run it with Tren. But I can tell you it is a great combo, and excellent for shedding bloat, plus it gives me insane sex drive!
Pinning for 20 weeks eod will get old FAST!
300pmg test e or c split Monday/Thursday
500mg EQ split same days
GROW LIKE A WEED minimal sides. Taper down for the last 4 weeks with test prop whilst letting the EQ clear your system......Pct will be a breez
Your protocol equates to 1'200mg of gear a week far from a light cycle
Really depends on the person bro. Last cycle for me was 20wks ed injection. That’s also my plan starting next week.
How many ml's each day? I dont mind .5ml -1ml ED pins but bigger slugs get real old real fast lol
Definitely bro
I don't mind ed pins on an 8 week prop cycle. But 20 weeks of ed pins would be draining for me
Man 20 weeks is a long cycle, I know one thing for certain I would use decca, test c, and mast e. Cut down on the injections brother
RustyhookerDepends on priors. Go als. Theres easier ways
+1. OP, let us know your goals and prior experience, and this crew can help dial you in with a safe, effective plan. (This assumes you know how to eat to meet your goal, and train in the same manner, but I'm guessing you know that part.)
I'd do eod and run npp lower than test.. 20 weeks is long also
I prefer to run any stacking compound higher than test.
I feel same way except for npp or deca
Stats
Age: 31
Height: 6'
Weight: 225
BF: 15%