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  • Which Ancillaries would you recommend for my cycle

  • Panzer189   •   Tue, Jun 11th, '19 14:22   •   17 replies, 236 views

43 yr old male, 5'9", 200lbs, currently approximately 10 to 12% body fat
Currently I'm running
Test p 150mg eod
Tren a 100mg eod
Tadalafil 30mg weekly or every 5 days
Week 2 of my cycle and adding 50 to 75mg of npp eod

I am going to add NPP this week and want to start an ancillary. I have never had many side affects with any of my cycles and since I have to run TRT year around I've never had a real issue loosing my gains after cycle with just a basic OTC pct. The more I read the more I want to run a ancillary with my cycle.
I have ran the above cycle for years and had great results from it for what I'm trying to achieve. In the past I have ran higher dosages but at this point in my life and my goals there isnt a need to over do it or get really crazy like I did when I was younger.
My question is with what I'm running now including the npp which of these would you recommend and at what dosage? These are what I have avaliable Arimidex, Clomid, Nolvadex, Letrozole, Aromasin

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  • Panzer189
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@Makwa maybe it's just psychosomatic but using an OTC PCT with my prescribed dosage of test seems to make the transition of high hormone levels to normal in such a short period time a lot easier. I feel like I retain more muscle mass, still have close to the same energy levels, etc. I know I cut and pasted some PCTs I have avaliable like Clomid in my original question but I really just want to know which Ancillary more experienced guys would recommend.
I know that some people can't help but be a smart ass and say things like I should know already if I've been using this cycle for years, etc.... And they are probably right but the truth is I have ran this cycle and got the desired results I wanted for years and way before these forums were avaliable. I haven't had to many if any real side affects so I didn't want to change anything. Kinda like don't fix if not broken, but as I do learn more an realize that I can get even better results if I add a few things to my program then I'm all about it. So replies like @Pcushion and others have written are greatly appreciated.
I agree that these products are nothing to just jump into and should be taken very seriously but when I was younger and didn't have this kinda resource I basicly learned what I should take and how much from guys at the gym. So when me or someone else asks a question that might seem basic, stupid or "should already know" it's nice to get back real feed back. I thought that was what this community and forums were for? So again I appreciate you guys that gave me sound advice and not some smart ass reply. @Makwa, I know you were just confused with my question and I hope I cleared it up because I would like your advice as well.

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  • Makwa
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I have to run TRT year around I've never had a real issue loosing my gains after cycle with just a basic OTC pct.

Confused here. Why are you attempting any type of PCT if you are TRT? You just go back on your TRT. No point trying to reboot anything.

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You could up your vitamin B6 intake if your worried about prolactin. B6 is a prolactin inhibitor. 200 or 300mg of B6 a day is pretty safe for most people.

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I am not trying to be an ass but you need to be careful what you recommend to people. There is enough half ass advice floating from forum to forum that messes people up and you don’t want to contribute to it. The studies on b6 lowering prolactin are very conflicting and there are more that show it’s not effective then show it’s effective. Studies in which it did lower prolactin it took a very long time to bring down to acceptable levels 34-90 days and it’s not effective for everyone by any means. If B6 worked well at lowering prolactin then it would be labeled as a substance to do so, but it’s not. Steroids are serious medications and need to be respected as such. Let’s take tribulus for example. It’s shown to boost testosterone via LH increase but not one is going to use it in place of Clomid during PCT. This scenario is the same with B6 and prolactin. I could see it being an option for naturally high prolactin but not prolactin caused by 19-nor steroids.
I will be glad to post some links with documentation if you don’t believe me or care to learn more.

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Bloody hell you've really upped your knowledge lately! +

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I am always learning man. This is stuff I always knew. I joined Eroids not to ask questions but to answer them. I have more medical journals on hormones than I care to admit. Never been much for bro science only fact based knowledgeable. Never had gyno either I feel compelled to throw that out as well lol.

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You're not being an ass. I respect you calling me out. You made a really good point and analogy. You're right.

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No worries brother excellent attitude about the whole situation. Knowledge can’t enter a closed mind.

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  • Panzer189
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Pcushion, thank you for your help! I appreciate your feed back.

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Glad to help my brother.

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  • Pcushion
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Aromasin all the way it’s a superior AI plus no rebound and it bids up SHBG well. Don’t jump on the caber bandwagon just yet. Prolactin is fueled by E2 and progesterone, and progesterone is fueled by E2. Keep your E2 in check and you should be fine. Don’t touch the tamoxifen while your running 19-Nors that’s a guaranteed way to have problems. Honestly prob best to leave that alone period for this cycle.

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So with the info I provided what dosage of Aromasin would you recommend? If you need any further info please feel free to ask and the fact that you are here to just help with fact based knowledge is greatly appreciated.

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You needs labs to appropriately determine you AI dose. It’s hard to say without those and especially bc everyone is different. I need a little more info. Have you ever used an AI in past cycles? If so I need to know what brand, dose, and how often are needed to come up with some estimate. Without that information it’s just the blind leading the blind.

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  • Panzer189
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OK I'll look it up. Sorry for asking.

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  • johnmarshall12
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Well obviously you need some of the ancillaries you list, but you might want to consider Caber as well. But the Clomid and Nolva are for PCT as I'm sure you know.

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  • Sam I Am
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If you’ve been running that forever you should already know...