Bloods... Possible to recover?
Using gear off and on for over a decade. Last cycle was high dosages of test and dhb.
When coming to end of cycle I had to go to hospital for surgery for a non related issue. My mind was on the surgery and the pct which had been started for about a week was put in the background. Was focusing on healing from the wound.
Surgery was in mid September....
Then Mrs says wants a kid....
Realised I had no lebido, had Ed... Even though didn't care about sex anyway.
Fsh, estro and test low. prolactin high... Hadn't use deca or tren.. Maybe due to high stress levels last few Months.
LH 1.7 (1.7-8.6)
FSH 1.24 (1.50 - 12.40)
E2 5.9 (11.3 - 43.2)
PROLACTIN 25.60 (4.04 - 15.20)
TEST 1.63 (8.64 - 29.00)
System is clear of all hormones. All other bloods glucose, lipids, liver etc were all good and healthy range.
Am getting help from a very respected member on the board.. Just curious of others experiences or opinion.
How do some pro bodybuilders who juice to the gills for years manage to get their women pregnant?
How much would initial endocrinologist cost roughly?
Havent been to the doctors but UK NHS I'm not hopefully.
You see all these protocols constantly online like palumbos etc.. But could that not in many cases make an individual more fucked..? As in do some of the drugs cause spikes in estro.. If estro os already out of raneg would that not exacerbate the problem further.
Your experiences/opinions appreciated.
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End of week 2 Blood Test Results
LH <0.1 (1.7 - 8.6)
FSH <0.10 (1.50 - 12.40)
E2 19.0 (11.3 - 43.2)
PROLACTIN 17.40 (4.04 - 15.20)
TESTOSTERONE 7.39 (8.64 - 29.00)
So the hcg dosed @1500iu Mon,Wed, Fri for 2 weeks has caused inhibition of lh/fsh.
Test level has gone up from 1.63 to 7.39 but still just out of low end.
Week 3 due to response increased to 2500iu hcg Mon, Wed, Fri. Will stay at dose for week 4.
Then start clomid/Nolva..
Ball ache randomly some days for few minutes at a time then disappears.
Mood generally feels better with some libido increase.
Will repeat bloods at end of week 4.
PcushionYour going to recover just fine man. Your leydig cells are responding to the hcg. What's your plan with the clomid?
Pcushion..... well i must say much thanks to Dacky for all this.
Week 5 through 8 only start on day 5 of week 5
Week 9
Week 10
Stop all meds
End Week 14 fertility panel like the one you just did
End Week 18 fertility panel like the one you just did and semen analysis.
Mucho respect and thanks again to Dacky for this...
I would never have known when to carry out blood testing and making amendments as necessary.
Obviously getting blood tests are not cheap when you need several, but I wasn't about to just do a shot gun approach with it
Try this. I’m currently on 4th week of this and feel awesome, I have high hopes for it. I’ve been on for over 5 years and started cycling when I was 18.
I used Aromasin at 6.25mg E3D, same dose I used while in Test Cyp 200mg E6D.
I’m also running 6IU HGH daily which I believe is also helping A LOT.
I will follow up with bloods 1 month after I complete it.
PCT Plan
Week 1-3:
HCG-1000 IU eod
HMG-75 IU eod in days opposite to HCG
Aromasin 25 mg ed, with last meal of the day (adjust down as needed)
Boron 10mg daily
ZMA-3 caps/night
Week 4:
Boron 10mg daily
D-aspartic Acid-3,000 mg in the morning
Aromasin 25 mg ed, with last meal of the day (adjust down as needed)
ZMA-3 caps/night
Week 5:
Boron 10mg daily
D-aspartic Acid-3,000 mg in the morning
Aromasin 25 mg ed, with last meal of the day (adjust down as needed)
Toremifene 60mg-ed, at night
ZMA-3 caps/night
Week 6:
Boron 10mg daily
Aromasin 25 mg ed, with last meal of the day (adjust down as needed)
Toremifene 60mg-ed, at night
ZMA-3 caps/night
Week 7-16:
Boron 10mg daily
Toremifene 60mg-ed, at night
ZMA-3 caps/night
^a couple things. HCG has been shown to be quite effective at 500 IU, EOD for 3 weeks. it also has an effect for about a week, hence stopping that for a week prior to the SERM. take the Aromasin along with the HCG, as it will keep total E in control, and adjust it as needed. also, take it with supper, as some guys get drowsy from it, and it is best absorbed with a meal. also, take the Toremifene at night (with your ZMA) as it also makes guys tired and will help ya sleep. and take ZMA, as a deficiency of zinc or magneium can wreck your T levels…
we’re running Toremifene for 12 weeks, as it has been shown to work for that long, as well. and we run Aromasin for a week with Toremifene, to keep E in check while the SERM begins to work…
the D-aspartic Acid seems to help the testes recover as well, but should not be taken for longer than 2 weeks.
If you currently have estrogen related issues, then i would keep the HCG lower (in the 250 IU range), but if not, then i would not be afraid to bump it up…
^you might also wanna toss some vitamin D in there, as that tends to help keep T up and E under control.
depending on where you live and your diet, you might not be getting enough sunlight or D in your diet…
Thank you all for your replies, appreciated.
Interested to see how AnabolicLife1992 has got on a similar thread...
I see loads of cookie cutter pct protocols...
It seems there's no real methodical approach to how to address rebooting hpta.
As there's no way pct can be the same for a primo, anavar winny cycle... and a tren test Dbol cycle
Alphamale500Regarding your bloodwork, obviously your test is very low, you basically crashed your e2levels, and as you said your prolactin is high, but at least your LH and FSH are very close to being in the low-normal range. Especially for just recently coming off a cycle and not even able to really perform your PCT protocol, that's good.
Those two hormones play a big part in sperm production. Being that your LH and FSH are where they are now, I don't think you'll have much trouble getting your HPTA functioning normally again with normal hormone balance. But I'm not an endocrinologist, and especially being that you want to have a child, I think it may be in your best interest to find a good endo to work with.
I mean, you can perform another PCT protocol or reboot first, but anything that you can do I'm confident that the endocrinologist can do better. Just my opinion of course! I don't know how much seeing an endo would cost where you live. Good luck with everything bro!!
You probably need to re-do your PCT from the beginning. As far as pregnancy look into HMG.
Alphamale500HMG is a very effective drug as well. Probably one of the most effective for PCT. The high price is the only downside to it.
I believe that is used more so for the sperm production? or it helps with improving the lh/fsh signals?
Pcushionthe body accepts it as fsh.. same concept as HCG.
Ok I see.
Well I have just started a 10 week pct with bloods throughout.. Thanks to Dacky for his time on this! with bloods monitored throughout.
Interesting how in the package of the inserts for the hcg says for men.. 2000i.u. Twice a week plus hmg for a Minimum of 4 months.... But that was listed for hypogonadotrophic hypogondasim... I assume not same shut down as what us steroid users would have.
So my understanding is importance to raise lh and fsh values, signaling then balls take over with clomid/hcg.
My lebido is in the gutter right now, so even just functioning in that sense to have drive would be good.
Your probally gonna need to do a new longer pct with hcg and Clomid. Your completely shut down right now.
Alphamale500Yeah, HCG and Clomid are great meds for PCT!
AnonWhat was your complete cycle and PCT?
This info will greatly help others answer your questions.
Was doing 1g - 1.5g usual test 1g and 50mg Dbol with 600mg Eq type stuff dthen went higher last 6 months.
From what I remember i had been blasting and cruise for at least 6mo ths. Switching from doses usually 2g - 2.5g mixture of test, Dbol, boldenone then cruise for 4 weeks with maybe 250 test with 300 dhb. Intermittently I would use low dose hcg etc.
When I urgently needed surgery all gear and training related thoughts were last thing on my mind
Had gone up to about 280lbs. High dosages yes I know.
Righyq now but I have no lebido and Ed so I guess that says it all.
We dont sometimes think of the damage we could be doing over the years
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And how did your pct look like? When did you finish pct? Your dosages were crazy high imo and I assume your pct protocol didn't fit...
It was hcg and clomid I believe but after a week or so I was in for surgery I didn't get to complete the pct. With hindsight wouldn't have been aggressive enough anyway. Nothing in my system for 3 months
So you went off from +2g gear weekly with practically no pct, right?
I had been on the cruise phase and was coming off. Sorry my question and details are so scattered. Coming off abruptly wasn't my choice as like I said I went in for urgent surgery
AnonYour doses were crazy high imo too.
"cruise for 4 weeks with maybe 250 test with 300 dhb." that's not a cruise dose, YOU WERE STILL ON.
"hcg and clomid I believe but after a week or so I was in for surgery I didn't get to complete the pct"
Not completing PCT after such large doses for so long could've caused all your current problems.
Good on you for getting blood work.
I think you have 2 options: 1, Seek medical help for your problems. 2, Try to fix your problems yourself with research and more drugs. I recommend taking the medical route. You might need TRT the rest of your life. Life ain't over bro. I wish I had more information to help you.
Exactly my thoughts. He could try a proper pct protocol right now, but I'd recommend to see a doc. However, imo he probably will need a trt...