Weird Dbol Protocol
What's up all, story time:
I train with this guy who is an old school lifter, former westside guy. Just getting to talking about certain compounds and he told me during certain times of the year he will take 50mg of Dbol on max effort days (so two days a week) and claims it is fine because of the nature of Dbol and the short half life. Granted im pretty sure he is always on something but I wanted to run it by people who obviously know more about these things than me.
Would dosing Dbol like this really even be worth it? What would such a sporadic dosing of Dbol do to things like lipids, liver enzymes, estradiol and the like? What about suppression, would it matter if someone was usually on test all the time?
I'm not going to tell him he is wrong because it is hard to argue with the level of strength that he has, I am just curious if this has any merit to it.
Happy Hunting,
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Is that what Louie teaches there? Seems off. Doesn’t make any sense to me, from a pharmacology standpoint
I don't think that's what louie teaches but I have never been there so I can't speak on what goes on
I agree with basskiller89 ive said the same thing several times that orals as preworkouts make ZERO sense. These compounds have to saturate stable blood levels to yield any benefit. As Dr.broscience said i do believe that for some people it may have a particularly stimulating effect to them however, the majority i believe is nothing more than a placebo effect. For all any of us knows dr.broscience may be a super responder to methandienone. But back to the point, i believe its a mental thing with your boy. 2 days of dbol in one dose does a lot in the sense of spiking hormones and aromatizing. Again the body wants to ALWAYS maintain homeostasis, dropping any oral for the sake of a preworkout isnt necessarily dangerous if youre on cycle but its a waste of compound. Why not pop a few andriol while we're at it to get a test boost before hand? This preworkout nonsense became increasingly popular once more labs started manufacturing injectable oral compounds imo. These hormones are not like opioids or anxiety meds that hit you in 30 minutes then you're on cloud 9. Ive experimented several times with dbol as a preworkout because i bought into the hype. My results were minimal at best being it was a placebo. Nothing beats a 6-8 week dbol run. Also why put your liver through any unecessary toxicity if you just want a better workout? Preworkout supps are better imo. Hope it helps.
Yea I am pretty much on the same page as you and you hit the main argument I had about putting your liver through more harm that the benefits you're seeing. Another thing I that I might be able to understand would be liquid orals rather than tablet form but it still seems like a waste to me. I understand that relatively Dbol is pretty cheap so fuck it maybe on a meet day shoot for the moon, but throughout the course of training I just didn't get the point
basskiller89I agree with you
However, after hearing our brother's experiences below, I would be an advocate of experimenting with compounds already being taking during a cycle, as an actual pre workout
As far as steroids being taken just as pre workouts, absolutely not still
Thanks bro. I did not mention that i had tried taking dbol, winstrol, halo, and tbol as a preworkout while on cycle. Unfortunately, i still didnt feel much of a difference as at least for me i need it to be built up in my blood before i notice the effects. Generally 7-10 days until i feel anything while on orals. Now, with halo i will say that 30mgs 30min prior did yield a longer gym session and strength gain to an extent. I could definitely notice there was something else happening aside from the norm.
basskiller89Personally, I see no logical or scientific point to taking a steroid as a pre workout. These compounds take hours to saturate androgen receptors and then take weeks upon months with stable blood levels before any hormonal benefits are achieved. If you run a proper cycle and keep blood levels stable you'd technically always be using a steroid as a pre workout lol But in terms of actually taking orals or injectables literally as a pre workout I truly see no point
and If all steroids worked the same and only affected the AR then you’d be right.
Let’s look at dbol specifically. Main benefits:
Brief AR stimulation
Aromatization and water retention (this has been pointed to as a way to increase strength temporarily)
IGF spike from the liver (we know this produces muscle growth ESPECIALLY surrounding workout times with large meals)
Lastly, and this is most closely associated with dbol specifically, it increases glycogenolysis. Which is the conversion of carbohydrates and glycogen to useable energy.
I won’t encourage anyone to take it preworkout or post workout or ever. That’s your choice.
Absolutely solid points
basskiller89Good catch, I forget other compounds saturate on different receptor sites
I'm with you. Seems like there in theory would be some benefits. I suppose it can't hurt to administer what's already being taken as a pre workout to reap some of these effects
I do agree I wouldn't advise any steroid to be taken specifically as a pre workout
You've made some good practical points but I have to disagree to some degree. My personal experience has shown very positive results. I have used Dbol in low doses 2 hours prior to a workout on training days only with fantastic results. I happen to respond tremendously to any administered exogenous compound. Within hours of a mere 10mg dose I can feel the effects. In fact , I have to be careful on the dosage and timing of all compounds as the effects hit me hard. For instance if I pop 1 10mg dbol at 8pm I will not be able to sleep even. I use this protocol often and have found that it is the best way, for me, to utilize the product. I feel I get the most out of it without increasing the dosage nor any unwanted intense water gain, bloat, moon face, and high blood pressure.
You need to elaborate so much more on this.
You take 10mg of dbol every training day and that is it, after that nothing until the next training day.
You "instantly" feel it is working i.e strength increased, better pumps, longer training sessions.
Are you sure its dbol and not speed?
You can feel the effects? feel them how?
Of course not, Mack. Thank you for our response , however, your interpretation is way off. I encourage you to reread the original post.
I never said I pop a pill and "instantly" feel like Superman. I will clarify as my statement as it has caused obvious befuddlement.
I respond extremely well to low doses of exogenous compounds. I react extremely well to oral Metandienone . When administered in my experience in about 2 hours or so I can feel the effects. The heighten sense of well being, surge of energy, increased strength and stamina. And yes I said 10 mg. The highest I have ever taken , and only a few times, is 20 mg. I know this appears a "low dose" for many but this is how my body responds to this compound specifically.
RustyhookerOn cycle or off? The op is hitting it off cycle. 4 hour halflife is great on cycle. Off cycle the estro bounce would give me acne. And i dont get acne even on big cycles
Both in fact, but most times usually off.
I rarely use the compound but when I do on a low dose it really kicks me. I am fortunate that my body really responds.
Call me old school but most times I'm on I utilize the compounds to preserve muscle during a cut .
I completely agree that the estro bounce can be problematic with this compound if doing for several consecutive days off cycle which is when I use Metandienone most times. Fortunately for me, I'm using a minimum dose. Also good to keep an AI handy always, just in case. Interesting that this protocol gives you acne as opposed to big cycles.
RustyhookerOn cycle 15mg was plenty for me back when id kick with dbol. 5mg tabs with 1 every 4 hours with big protein/carb meal.
Off cycle imo theres better ways to skin cats. It is a very old theory and folks will give it a try. To each their own
So when you take it that way do you usually stick to around 10mg? And when you say you have gotten fantastic results are you talking long term or more like you had a very intense training session?
I personally have found for me that I am able add small amounts of quality dense muscle while using this protocol. The extra intensity leads to greater output and likewise the ability to consume more calories. This has worked for me. I do know mates that do not respond as well but I always advocate using LOW doses to proper gauge how your body reacts to such exogenous compounds
basskiller89This is when personal experience trumps science and logic
I don't have a great deal of experience with orals
It's good to hear from you on this
To say everyone reacts differently is the understatement of the year.
This has worked for me. I respond incredibly well. Will it work for most? More than likely not.
Whole point of forums like this to kick around experiences and ideas as there can never be enough of them.
Cheers
Definitely, I appreciate the information
basskiller89True that brother
I don't know about a single dose of d-ball. And I'll have to look for the actual studies. But I've read some were d-ball works a little different than other compounds in the fact it causes your brain to actually pull on the muscle harder when contracting. Giving the illusion of greater strength at the moment. The same muscle today lifting heavier weight than the day before.
basskiller89That's quite interesting, I've never heard this before
I personally never lift super super heavy, I'm always afraid I'll tear something
I suppose this subject is not quite as cut and dry as it would appear
For 99% of anyone who asks this question I will still advise against using steroids as a pre workout unless it's specifically using compounds in a cycle already being run to experiment with theories mentioned
I've taken it twice personally. The first time 30 mgs spread out through the day. Morning noon and night. The second time 30 mgs and hour or two before I worked out. Got the same results about two weeks in strength up fast. Like getting two reps out of a one rep max on bench easy . The next week three reps. And gone as fast as it came. Did figure out I can't take it and won't any more my blood pressure about the beginning week 4 isn't even controllable with meds. Sux cause it works so good.
basskiller89I hear that. Great call on dropping something causing blood pressure issues. I stick with test and an AI. I've been able to continue to grow with strength increasing over the years so well that I've never had the desire to add another compound. I still am fearful of tearing something and probably honestly lift at 50-60% of my max. My goals are more in shaping my body compared to something like powerlifting. I know what you mean though because every time I start up a new cycle the weights seem to always feel lighter
Be better off hitting 300mg of caffeine.
No doubt, added benefit I was reading earlier was that coffee has a cleansing effect on the liver! Drink up fellas.
Rustyhooker^^^^^boom!