posted Tue, 04/09/2013 - 07:34
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+ 1 Trenbolone - why does it make cardio difficult?
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Okay this has been a popular known side effect of Tren. I hear about it all the time online.
Basically what happens in people doing cardio notice an increased difficulty doing cardio.
For me I notice it is more difficult because I sweat so much and feel dehydrated after 5-10 mins of cardio. Normally I can do 20-30 mins stair stepper without any difficulty, on tren it's a struggle to go past 15 mins. I usually stop because my whole body is drenched in sweat. I also notice I am breathing heavier than people around me as well.
Does anyone know the actual reason why trenbolone does this?
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VewiJust for you brother
tren increase red blood cell production which would make cardio increase
Prostaglandins in tren cause bronchial constriction---
There is a method of prostaglandin production whereby prostaglandins made from one pathway in particular happen to dictate some muscle constriction as well as platlet aggregation, while the other method of production dictates bronchial constriction,
Example when doing Tren A you some times get a Tren Cough as it is called well thats the Prostaglandins getting hit from the tren and tighting the chest..
However, you don't get this cough from Tren E because its a slower release into the body however, it still increase the Prostaglandins through the cycle.
Update: once that EQ kicks in, cardio becomes pretty easy, even on tren. Problem solved folks! Just another excuse I can use to include boldenone into my cycles lol
VewiThe Reason for that is because EQ makes more Red blood Cells
Example: your body makes more red blood cells if you train at higher elevation.
basically EQ makes more thats why its good to take Asprin and Nician while on EQ or even donate blood.
yupp. I don't believe in donating blood though. I just take aspirin and call it good. A lot of the anabolic effects come from the increased RBC so why give blood? You are actually decreasing the effectiveness of your cycle by doing that. Niacin + aspirin ftw
Vewigive blood because the longer you go on EQ, and the more red Blood cells it makes it can make you have thicker blood donating it once during cycle can help if your running a long cycle like 24 weeks.
it increases blood pressure, and what has been said under
VewiVewiLooks like I should make a Tren post.. i think I will on monday.
Tren has a tendency to reduce HDL and increase LDL cholesterol levels. You may sometimes notice headaches due to high blood pressure. It is a very good chance and in my experience the negative impact to the lipid levels causes the heart to work twice as hard. I notice I am panting at a heart rate of 165 on tren where I could do twice the work at 175. The idea of running clen may have some merit but the fact that your bp is already high as are your lipid levels and the fact that clen raises the heart rate significantly might not be best in the long run.
Cysteinyl leukotrienes LTC4, LTD4 and LTE4 are mainly responsible for bronchial constriction cause by tren. These leukotrienes are due to the increase in prostaglandins.
Do not use clen to overcome this. Clen is a beta-2 agonist and works through a different mechanism. Tren already puts massive stress on the adrenals.
Use montelukast sodium (Singulair) as it blocks the actions of LTC4, LTD4 and LTE4 at the CysLT1 receptor in the lungs and bronchial tubes.
In your opinion if I use singulair throughout my cycle that would effectively combat the side effects to my cardio. I box so my wind has to be up high for endurance. Was just going to run eq but if this works i'll try it.
Singulair works bro. Get on it
dude this thread is two years old.......
"leukotrienes are due to the increase in prostaglandins"
BOOM!
correct; although a kinda blanket statement!
Plus1 for this and each post you made on this topic with info!
GATORGEAR
Can you elaborate on this any? Does singular help if you've already been hobbled by the tren usage ... Pulmonary wise?
Finally, someone who knows the biochemistry behind why this bizarre side effect exists! Much appreciated
how much tren are we talking about?.I never had problem doing cardio while on tren but then again i always used 75-100 mg every m/w/f.
Wardi77Cardio goes to the gutter because Tren promotes inflammation via bronchial dilation that restricts the passage of airway in certain areas that relate to the functionality of your prostaglandin. This is why it's sometimes hard to breathe during the day, even while doing normal activities while on Tren , or where the "tren cough" probably came from. Bronchodilator/prostaglandin formation are 2 key words to search if you want to really delve into the correlation between Tren and aerobic capacity. A good protocol for the advanced users might be to add clen while on tren. Since clen is a bronchodilator it will improve breathing while doing cardio. Just a thought.
Terephthalic Pt...I think you meant bronchial constriction for tren. Bronchial dilation would increase the size of it making it easier to breath.
Clen as you said is a bronchial dilator. If you wanted to avoid bronchial dilation you wouldn't want to add clen.
Buildbigger86Ward, I thank you for the useful info on Tren. I myself have never run Tren yet. Considering it down the road in a few more cycles. But Clen is no good to me. I feel people over do it by not doing enough research on what it actually does to your body. THERMOGENIC wise. I had a cousin think he knew what he was doing and took 2 dosages of clen yesterday ( when packaging advised 1 in morning and 1 at night) for pre workout and he had loved his worked out so in the afternoon he decided to take 2 dosages again. Of course since he is my cousin he did not tell me about this being that i would of strongly advised against him doing so. Anyways he called me freaking out how his heart wouldn't stop pounding and how cracked out he felt. I told him he was and idiot and never to take it again.
Clen is way more serious then i think people realize that it is. If you know what you doing it is a different story if you dont. STAY AWAY IN MY OPINION.
Ward not knocking your knowledge you are super informative with all your info always but i just want to put my 2 cents in about Ward.
Interesting, thank you for your response.
Tren and clen together will make you so dehydrated its not funny. Two compounds that increase your core temp pretty dramatically. No amount of Taurine and water can stop the muscle cramps. Especially in the rib cage. Very dangerous. Stay clear of this combo unless you are very familiar with how your body reacts
biggerthanyouI'd be careful mentioning clen and tren together in an open forum...great stack but some noob is gonna see this and royally fuck themselves up...
Wardi77I hear ya, that is why I stated that it should be for ADVANCED users.
I would agree.clen sucks balls ain't gonna touch that shit to harsh that stuff should only be used by pros where bodybuilding is there job even then i think its a shady area.j223 you could try albuterol inhalers its what i am using at the min for temp lung damage no side effects if you don't abuse them and it will realy help with your breathing.hope this helps bro plus the info above.
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/druginfo/meds/a682145.html
Test killed my cardio the normal for me was 3 mile daily morning runs.on cycle i planned on dropping to 1.5 mile twice per week but after first few week it felt like my heart was going to explode.so i would like to learn more about aas and cardio ano it ain't tren but i just added this in lol.
Buildbigger86Spart really??? I had and have the complete opposite i cycle like bike cycle and when i first started test HOLY SHIT. I was doing 10k's so much faster then usual. As well as my endurance was off the wall. I love test for cardio and lifting.
Yea odd eh ? It was maybe just the sust bad batch or something fuck knows hope it don,t happen on next cycle.i was 100% only had this effect when running was on 10-15g creatine daily plus test and high salt intake maybe super high bp off nitrogen retension causen probz was not fully clued up back then it was before eroids.
SpyVStrange Spart, Test should increase Hemotacrit levels which should improve cardiovascular function.
Yep ano...i put it down to high bp,diet not to clean,high creatine,stress,all fixed for my next cycle no creatine on cycle leave for pct,clean diet,no stress kappeesh all should be good lol and use stepper or bike for cardio.