+ 10 TEST PROP DOES NOT CAUSE LESS BLOATING FUCKERS!!!!!
God this shit is really getting old.
Why do people believe test prop is some kind of "cutter" with less bloating????
HOW ABOUT QUIT EATING FUCKING CHINESE FOOD AND SALTY BULL SHIT
The amount of water you hold from enanthate is not much if any different at all compared to prop. I have ran prop multiple times. GUESS WHAT I still hold some water, it is no less than enanthate, cypionate, or anything.
I laugh when I see people running prop for 16 weeks with their EQ "to help with bloating" LMAO dumb
Water retention comes from 2 things. Estrogen, and SODIUM.
The fucking ester has basically no significant effect on water retention.
When I ran deca I was bloating a little, so I raised my AI dose and took the salts out of my diet and for the remainder of the cycle I remained RIPPED and water retention free. Even on anadrol!!!!!
So get it out of your head people... Prop is not some magical "bloat-free" compound.
If you still notice slight water retention with a CLEAN diet and proper AI dose, try adding proviron. Proviron does a good job of keeping you extra dry.
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Anyone notice benefit of adding potassium in ratios to sodium salt?
I use nu salt (potassium chloride) and have read balancing out the ratio K:Na is also important.
I've tried it last winter (not for bloating but to see it it would "dry" me out a little as an experiment) and all it did was put my potassium out of range.
https://www.eroids.com/pics/diamondpharm-test-prop-pharma-aromasin-from-...
I don't think you see the real benefits of dryness until under 8% bf
This is true. And I have no desire to be under 10. I like 10-13 on me best (and so does the woman). It was just a experiment to see if I'd drop any water. Not like I was holding much to begin with, but I didn't. At least none that I could tell and I like to think I know my body pretty well.
Right on... It would also depend on diet and other compounds you were taking as well. Women these days like a little fat on guys. Unless you have a very good physique under 10%... But it sucks being under 10% because you kind of drag ass and don't really get to enjoy it.
Test prop causes less water retention. Makes it ten times easier to cut as well. So I'd say it does.... Hopefully my opinion is acceptable.
estrogen, not test... estrogen cause water retention!
yes I know that. I think there's more to the shorter ester and longer esters. I can take prop and have no bloat at all. The same diet with test E I will be holding more water. Yes my E levels were in check.
Absolutely. Faster in faster out but there are other different sides associated with the peak in plasma levels such as spikes in blood pressure..... depending in the compound the ester is attached to ( altho i know we are talking about testosterone of course)
Its not just the sides though... Shorter ester yield much less anabolism and far weaker effects on nutrient partitioning too, for example
Tradeoffs on any selection. ... pick your poison I suppose!
The higher peak from prop should technically cause greater bloat due to increased conversion.
Good observation, but it is faster in but faster out and shorter period of suppression of natural test than longer esters which are all factors
keep reading on the pharmaco's of the esters, read behre and nieschlag's pharmaco's of test esters
its the bible
haha probably less water retention only because most people run prop at half the dose theyd run E or C because obviously its only 100mg/ml.. theres the debate about less time in the system means less time to convert to estro, hence less bloat... i dunno tho, people gotta quit asking questions and find out for themselves
Test is test just different release times conversion and aromatisation.
Cunts try get all fancy and technical but its true.
The ingredient is test. Simple.
Well said. No difference in water retention for me either.
Always felt this was a myth as well as the whole "test prop causes more pip" talk. Granted different ugl preparations are going to feel different, not to mention individuals react differently to different things, but I'm convinced that a lot of the time people are just feeling the more frequent pinning schedule and are having difficulty rotating sites properly! ESPECIALLY if they are doing ED injects.
Good info thanks bro!!
Red.1979I love Prop Test. I am ending the second cycle. On my body the effects are these:
good muscular volume (tonic),
no water (indeed least) retention, invisible.
My friend uses Test Enant, a lot of water retention is seen, muscular swelling on the face.
I have tried only Prop Test and I am in love of it:)
I also love prop, but there is no difference in water retention for me. The reason you didn't bloat and your friend did is probably because you kept your E2 in check and your friend went all willy nilly, or as stated by the OP, ate a lot of sodium. And as always, everyone reacts differently to everything... He could simply be extra sensitive to bloating. Regardless, it wasn't the ester.
300 SavageCorrect the key is to keep E2 in check..no issues with bloat when you get that dialed in.
I'm digging this one up from years back, so can the same be said about Tren A and Tren E?
No not really, tren doesnt really aromatise but it will absolutely displace test making it available to aromatise.. What OP said is not a rule. OP was wrong about test esters but right about their not being a magic pill. See it all depends on compounds in use, doses, duration, bodyfat, stress/cortisol, and hormone management / support etc. Bloating in AAS cycles is mostly caused by water retention, which is caused by estrogen increasing having been aromatised from testosterone. Longer esters do in fact aromatise more heavily than shorter, despite what the OP said, however, take excessive short esters or cram in other compounds like 19nors that compete heavily for the andro receptors and you will bump up the availability of test to convert to estro and cause thereby bloating/water retention.
Shorter esters are definitely a smarter choice for a high aromatiser (but less anabolic than longer esters), but only when other variables are looked after. Fat people also aromatise more due to extra aromatase enzyme in fat, so using a short ester wont help all that much
Lots of variables at play
Never had that problem with cyp or enanthate and certainly not stacked with tren.Sustenon and deca blew me up like a fat fuck though, but nothing compared to good ole water based test.Got me big and strong but watery and chubby even with a clean diet, although not as clean as when on tren, because tren kills my appetite .
This is an interesting read..
https://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-is-not-t...
However as you said there are a lot of variables and it's all relative to person to person
That is a lovely read and well put together. It pretty much nails some of the points I was making, cheers buddy
Exactly mate. Its definitely worth looking through iron's other posts also.
Absolutely man, have actually clicked follow so can point ppl to it in future. He has articulated it really well!!!!
Exactly my friend. What works for me may not work for you. Might be a good place to start and adjust as you go as you pull bloods and figure out your body and dosing ect. Good to see you in the forums a little more. +2
Appreciate the kind words mate!
blackrock90in other words STFU BITCH YOU WRONG
SpyVI love the hate on salt. I will gladly concede that high amounts of salt are unnecessary, but aside from pounding back bags of potato chips and heaping teaspoons of salt on everything you are not going to experience this massive water retention. Eating healthy, with the occasional salty dish in there isn't going to blow you up, it is at the end of the day the exogenous source of hormones that is causing the water retention.
breakingfaceTest is test. As soon as the ester is cleaved off it's all the same.
AnonWell theoretically the longer the ester the longer the hormone is active in the body.. The longer the hormone is active the higher the chances it will convert to estrogen!
Maybe your not running more test than your body can handle! Id gaurentee if you were to run say 1000-1200 mg of each compound on 2 seperate cycles 'without an ai' youd end up with more water weight using enanthate or sustan.. The bottom line is tho you obviously use ai's so the water weight would minimal on both compounds! The knee bone is connected to the neck bone grass hopper your statement is only true when you include other variables ;)
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Finally somebody said it lol. Salt and estro=moon face
AnonLol i had to rinse my sinus's out after nose sinus surgery (mid cycle) last year.. I had to use around a gram of saline in 300mls of water every few hours and god dang!! My head nearly blew up!! Moon face wasnt the word it was more like jupiter hah
I agree with SteelChicano. it is not a magical waterless ester but can be used in a way to decrease the amount you do retain.
AnonI basically agree with u but yes esters do have very much to do with water retention.
Not in some magical bro science way. But in rates/speed of aromatization. Which is in direct correlation with Esteogen-Water retention.
Yes I agree with the point of Prop is not some magical waterless ester. But rates of aromatization has everything to do with Estrogen/Water.
Ur right and wrong all at the same time:)
Ok you get the point I'm trying to get across.
why is it that test suspension is known to cause a massive amount of water retention and it has a very fast rate of aromatization, prop only a few days half life, and enanthate is MUCH slower.
I think your rate of aromatization theory is invalid
AnonUr quote practically proves my point valid. But water retention is caused by a multitude of things. Salt intake, Water intake, Aromatization and so on,
Esters and rates of their inherent Aromatization will most definitely unequivocally affect Water retention by way of blood saturation level stability. Is Prop more? Is it less? Who really cares in the end? Ur point about Diet is true, if u eat like shit and consume large amounts of Salt no matter what ester Test u run will erase that.
prop has a faster rate of aromatization than enanthate, yet enanthate is supposed to cause more bloat??
Suspension is FASTER than prop and causes more water retention than prop
AnonShorter the ester quicker the rate of aromatization. It's why it takes weeks for Enanthate to display estro sides and Prop within days. Only AAS users are smart folks. They figured out that the more stable/frequent the dosing protocol the less Aromatizationwith the quickest esters. It's why folks say to run Suspension as a base it must be run 2-3 x a day or Prop daily for less sides.
I totally agree with ur conclusion of Prop is not a magical waterless ester. But esters do have a big role in water retention. Not the solitary reason but it's in there.