posted Wed, 04/30/2014 - 06:57
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Rich Piana cycle theories ??? your thoughts??
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here is a link : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKGIEfn_xIY&list=UUJHroOyfde4rZLTL2Zmk1UQ
what do you guys think what he says?
quick run down:
mixing compounds during for arguments sake 12 weeks.
swapping compounds every 3 weeks to prevent upping dosage/hitting platue and keep body guessing not getting used to compounds...
so say
week 1-3
test e, deca , dbol
week 3-6
sust, tren, anadrol
and so on....
whats your guys opinions on his theories?
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PumpingthtEverybody seems to be flaming on Rich... IMO the method he discribes is superior to say "simple Test/Deca/Dbol", BUT this is not a begginers method. I believe he was just throwing compounds around without paying attention to what he was really saying. It seems like EVERYBODY picked up on that but didn't understand the MAIN idea of what he was saying which is keeping receptors clean, keeping ur body guessing by switching compounds constantly.
Also, if your an average user and DO NOT see gains from say 4weeks of Deca at like 600mg/week than u are doing something wrong. People dont understand esters, yea sure it takes ~10days for Deca ester to reach its halflife but this doesnt mean its not working. It doesnt matter what ester ur using, the compound starts working as soon as you put it in ur body, its called initial release. Ofcourse the gains get better as time lapses because more of the ester is broken down therefor more compound is available but IT STARTS WORKING as soon as u put it in ur body.
I wouldn't train the same way for say 12 weeks, why would i use the exact same compound for 12weeks straight.
lol. if you dont use the compound for 12 weeks straight on certain long esters, you havent felt its full effect, would you cut eq at week 12? broad statement, i could add alot to your statement, but id run out of characters, diet is what needs adjusting, not the gear- go do some research on cells, receptors etc on what they are, what they do etc in the body without roids, understand it all, then start educated geussing how they react with it.
U know what you are referring to as "initial release" seems almost universally to be ignored. Any long ester compound u inject begins immediately to establish a blood plasma level. +1 for that.
what others do isnt necessarily gonna work for you - think about it he has years of training if your a noob are you gonna use what he is currently using -you see these huge guys and they tell you what they are using and then some noob comes along and pins 6 different esters and drops 3 orals and wonders why he s in the hospital -
for an experienced user switching esters throught a cycle works well - it keeps gains coming and achieves different results ie bulking /cutting /hardening/ test is always used as a base from begining to end and you have to give each ester enough time to work i personally have friends who switch every 8-9 weeks and they are solid - they also have more money to spare than i do
GameTymePersonally I would never try it. But it does make sense I guess he means this method instead of using ridiculous amounts of gear.
what a mess! please kids dont try this at home! First of all if your not TRT then dont even think about doing this kind of cycle....From a person that has little understanding of AAS this might sound like it would work but I can assure you that running those long esters like that would simply be a waste. My experience in running short esters like this has been that my body does not respond well, I dont care for the dips in plasma levels and I dont FEEL very good switching so many compounds which plays a huge factor in my workouts. Its also not a good idea to be throwing around compounds that create estro or 19nors like that, not to mention all the orals and liver issues.
IMO keeping the body guessing like this kind of cycle is trying to do is not necessary, my body will only hold so much weight per cycle. the further I get past my body's natural weight the harder it is to add and keep weight. I believe you can gain the same weight on a test-e cycle that you could gain on some crazy cycle like this so why take all the risks
Now that's real talk great post
I'm pretty sure this is what guys were doing in the late 80's early 90's. Basically just pinning and popping everything that crossed their path when it was available. Alot of them are dead, don't think body is meant to live in hormonal calamity. The idea is to reach homeostasis for periods of time where the body is function at a higher nitrogen balance and lower catabolic state.
But hey, Rich seems ok so who knows.
sick of these two mouths on sticks....... wish they would get to fuck the knob rots, lol.
What happened to the simple 12 week cycles? Like 750 test, 600 eq or deca, and an oral of your choice? Pre contest or cummerbund cut is different of course. Everyone is looking for some miracle cycle. It's diet hard work legit gear that's it. Side note rich piana is definitely doing it for attention and is a synthol addict
How is a three compound stack, with a 19-nor and an oral a simple cycle???
IMO it is just two compounds and an oral. Didn't mean eq and deca at the same time, I meant one or the other. Piaia is talking constantly switching up within weeks at a time. Sounds complicated to me
just two compounds... ONE BEING A NOR-19! smh
What Rich is getting at is switch compounds so the receptors don't get over saturate with a single compound, making that compound less efficient.
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skalpawell, imo. hes built a physique more impressive than almost anyone ive seen on this board, no offense. hes tried just about everything and has many years of experimenting under his belt so i would take what he says into consideration, but not as gospel. i believe rich tells the truth and isnt trying to pull the wool over anybodys eyes. what would he gain from it? the best thing hes promoted is "think for yourself and try new things, it might just work but then youll know for sure." ..the theory about mixing up compounds has much validity imo, just not using long esters. using short esters in bursts and combining different classes of drugs would produce great results. such as:
week1-4: TNE or Prop and drol
week5-8: Prop & NPP & winstrol
week9-12: Prop & Tren Ace
maybe extend the tren and prop to 6 weeks.
something like that.
run caber from 5-12 for 19-nors and keep ai handy. i dont see how it could get too complicated to handle if one has experience with the compounds they are combining and how they react to them. id guess that 12wk cycle would probably yeild better results than just a test & deca cycle with a dbol kicker. but i nor anybody will know until you try it and see for yourself.
Couldn't agree more about the short esters. When using long esters everyone knows it takes a while for it to do its magic. Using the shirt esters is a good idea
OneMoreRepgood points here bro. i think he is being somewhat truthful also. i think he just has a simple lack of understanding of blood levels, half lives, etc.
this is all just cycle theory and like you said, no one will no till we get someone who firstly has ran all these compounds them selves and secondly does a trial experiment on say, something like your example cycle you just purposed.
all in all, its def interesting, but i think were all just gonna stick to what has worked and what we know for sure.
i still think its kinda reckless to fuck with blood concentrations so much.
ya.. it keeps the "body guessing" but in a bad way. who want to go on a roller coaster ride of sides?
skalpai think, also, in the video where rich addresses this, he just threw out some compounds on a whim for an example not actually constructing a well planned out cycle. he was more going for the idea or method not actual drug combinations
Seems way too over complicated to me. I would fuck my ai up weekly for sure. Simply put, I'm not advanced enough to try something like this. It is an interesting thought however. Would this down play receptor blockage, or would it turn you into a cartoon character? I will never know.
His honesty is a breath of fresh air, but his lack of scientific knowledge (especially when it comes to hcg and pct) is kind of annoying. Yeah he's massive, but he is also a genetic freak and took 20 ius of HGH a day for almost a year.
wouldn't the switch from testE to Sust cause a roller coaster effect on test levels? just thinking out loud... but personally i wouldnt mess with it
My opinion...some people like to see others fail.
That's because they are full of envy my friend.. a real man, will help lift others up....
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SnakeOilI can not tell you if he is right or wrong but what I can say is I feel he is being very honest about everything.A lot of the things he has to say makes since and a few do not. I have watched most videos on him. He is saying it is his theories. The idea to change compounds up has been around a long time. I do not see why anyone would call it reckless.
Let me explain!..... even for guys like myself who are ON year round (no pct ever) changing long estered compounds up is like "turbo lag" meaning.. even though the persons body is fully saturated with the previous compound used we still have to wait for new compound to go through half-life cleave to reach max blood plasma levels! so in reality there is absolutely NO POINT or sense behind his theory..... the only way i could see it working would be to ramp up every change with a short estered version of the same compound therefore keeping blood levels stable and not peaking and crashing all over the fkn place.
Also his theory of pinning GH every 90mins is pure bullshit and a waste of GH due to always pinning on a full stomach, i tend to think his slin regime will be similar! so basically the dummy is wasting good gear.
But now that he is a YT superhero just like bostin (who in my opinion should synthol his tiny cock) all the brain dead youngsters follow like the good sheep they are .. then finally end up here looking to be patched up because their frail bodies are shot to fuck...... fortunately here in Britain we dont have these internet clowns giving bodybuilding a crap name and turning kids into fkn GH+SYNTHOL monkeys.
bostin Lloyd takes the cake over piana knowingly using ASs in videos showing everything talking about where he gets it. doing unreal amounts totally ridiculous. his tard GF doing a bunch of unknown compounds at one time because dummy tells her too then she wonder why her hair is falling out in clumps and a tong of other sides. well if she didn't run more then one unknown she would be able to pin point it. anyways Lloyd will never get a card or his idiot GF the industry doesn't bring ASs into the public and they sure dont want their athletes they sponsor giving cookie cutter cycles to kids over facebook and you tube. let alone sponsoring some fool who only gets attention from talking about ASs all the time and saying more is better and its all about the gear and naturally you cant bodybuild whether its a natty organization or not. people like this is what is wrong with bodybuilding today and whats wrong with todays generation of people. todays generation of people just want more results faster with less work , instead of doing more intense cardio with awesome diet ill just up the tren , or add in compounds like dnp that could quite possibly kill me , unreal let me know how bostins doing in 5 years. sorry rant over vike just cant stand that guy .
IMO, just my opinion but Boston Lloyd is a major homo...
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ive been waiting for your response bro as knew youd have something to bring to the table lol
makes you wonder if he is just talking bullshit or how the fuck he ended up looking like he does....
Thing is bro... both piano and lloyd are not making the big time!... if they eventually did hit some top ranks they would disappear off YT and become far less quiet, what they do is purely for attention!.. you dont see top rankers like Dennis wolf and company selling theirselves like cheap whores all over the net just for fkn attention.. NO they let the physiques do the talking like it should be.
I really believe people like Dennis Wolf, get it first hand from their doctors.. all pharm grade brother... and if not first hand, through the grapevine, nevertheless pharm grade...
I would just like to see picture comparisons of Rich and everyone bashing him. The guys rich and has all the attention in the world. I don't think making a youtube channel was his turning point in his career. Hes just chillin now.
Comparison pics?
yeah agreed, mouths shut and the body will do the talking...
perfect example of that is dallas mccarver he is a 22yr old IFBB pro , that bostin slated for lying (jealously) about AAS use, but he forget he is sponsored by BSN and making money..
same with all the current pros no one admits it and rightly so as kids could see that and be influenced.
but shit, bostins last comp prep cycle was unreal when he fucked his arm... I don't know how the kids still alive, I think he said he was doing 12 grams of gear a week?
crazy stuff
skalpawell if you guys are against young dudes pushing the drugs then how can you support even dallas mccarver. that guy worked with john o'regan and that guy puts young dudes through insane cycles!
So i take it from your response that you at 22yrs old are all in for massive cycles with very few years ( if any in most cases) experience in any aspect of bodybuilding?
Dont think i am some fkn pussy that has only run tiny cycles!.. let me clarify............
Have i ran upwards of 4Gs of test............... YES.
Have i used tren for 1yr straight.................. YES.
Have i used multiple orals (max 4)................YES.
Have i used upwards of 18iu Parma GH......YES.
Have i used max of 50iu Insulin....................YES.
Have i used 2400mg TNE weekly.................YES.
BLAH BLAH BLAH AND THE LIST GOES ON!
34yrs use of AAS........ 28 comps...... 4 MR titles under my belt in large national compa and 1 MR title from europe................. Instead of bringing stupidity and failure to this board i choose instead to bring wisdom and knowledge from the skill set i have acquired over the years!... think how easy it would be for me just to come onboard preaching monster cycles and abuse!... people would no doubt follow my words but just think about how many souls i could harm and do damage too?
I wrote this just to give you something else to think about, and from a different persons perspective..... a youngster like you could affect maybe one or two people on this board.... whereas i could affect thousands!..... i hold a massive responsibility regarding this community due to my knowledge and experience being able to either make or break people (health and well-being wise) just by dropping words on posts........... i choose the responsible,mature approach by only giving safe! well founded advice.. not some cheap "i did! he did! so you all do!" one size fits all parroted shit.
Simple words can be so damaging brother!...choose them well as you mature and grow,think responsible! be responsible!.. you will be a better person for it :))
Wow. Sounds like your the man to talk to. Great amazing advice here.
I call bs on the Insulin.. I have my reasons, I'll keep to myself though... taboo subject and I don't want people getting Ideas..
IN fact...... i refuse to have my integrity fucked with by a little boy like you...... if you did your research correctly you would find the dosage i quoted is quite low for guys my size when split up and taken with meals!.... so i am taking your comment as a direct pop at me .... did you think i wouldn't see your comment or something?.......... myself and fellow MOD trenabolic discuss insulin on a regular basis behind closed doors because we can through self-experience and proper use.
You say up above - "l,ll keep it to myself though..." You should have kept your mouth totally SHUT instead of instead of throwing yourself in front of a speeding train...... you just called out the TOTALLY WRONG person!... and you where doing so well chasing tags and karma, i shake my fucking head at your lunacy............ BANNED for challenging the integrity and honesty i as a MOD bring to this board.
guy123Viking that was NOT pointed towards you bro, not even anywhere in your direction brother. If you ask gearhead or flash or really anybody dude, I hold your words as GOLDEN in comparison with everyone else bro. I have more faith in your words than anybody else, and I would never call you out. You are doing what I'm chasing to dude. A bodybuilding champion and it a privilege to learn from you dude... I miss read the post and thought you guys were talking about 25 YO! What I was getting at sir is if he is running insulin at age 25 there would be some problems not to mention, how big he would be already be... I apologize for my mistake... may I please have my account back viking, i really love this place...
holy shit champ, read posts more thouroughly, i have no doubt in my mind you were in no way directing that at vike just read more carefully. my internet is playing up at the present, ill pm you when i can, sorry to you viking! i know champ highly respects you, he reads every word you write just like we all do, we use your tips and knowledge in real life!
Believe me bro, I'm going to start taking a second look... I was surprised, I really look up to viking dude, that comment was like a punch in the gut brother... I had no idea what I did... I'm thankful viking understands bro.
You call BS with me?.............. are you fucking kiddin me here! have you any fucking idea were ive been with this game......... HAVE YOU FUCK!!.......... You call me out in public so lets sort it in public, right here right fkn now before i nail your fkn head to a wall you little cunt.
guy123I commented above you viking... I'M REALLY SORRY BRO; ITS A MISUNDERSTANDING
My integrity is THE most important thing i hold..... BFG knows it, the MODS know it,....... hopefully you too now know this fact.
Yes Sir
This one of the most powerful comments, I think I have ever read from you. Truthful, real and str8 to the point! Excellent response bro!
Thanks guys i just thought it needed saying........... these kids think they are inventing the fkn wheel!..... just letting out im no fkn weekend warrior and never have been .... theres juicin!.. then theres JUICIN! for competition.
absolutely vike deff a good read
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