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Ive never used it, wondering if anybody can shead some light on the effects of this compound.
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Ive never used it, wondering if anybody can shead some light on the effects of this compound.
I really hope Axio's Primo is at least in the same universe as the real pharma grade stuff out there. Figure that if the raws arn't quite as good maybe running an extra 100mg would even that out...
Here is what I know on Primo.
It is extremely safe, and is so low in androgens it is one of the best drugs for women athletes. Somw women report good gains from the use of Primo. It is very low in liver toxicity. It does not aromatise, and beacuse of the extremely low androgenic properties water retnsion is unlikely. For the same reasons don't expect to much in the size or strength gains department, but gains will be quality, ie will last after the drug has been stopped..
I have heard that Primo is more effective for STOPPING MUSCLE LOSS (anti-catabloic) than it is for BUILDING MUSCLE (anabolic). This would explain why men get poor results with Primo except when dieting for a comp. Primo lets you come in big and hard at comp time, which may be the only real benefit of this compound for males. Like most low androgenic compounds it seems to help if added to a stack of high androgenic compounds.
Women can get good results from 100-200mg a week and a few blokes have tried 200-300mg a week with very little result.
Primo is probably the safest injectable compound, and is definately the purest when it comes to a high anabolic low androgenic ratio. Apart from being very good for pre-comp use the main user group would really be women.
Hope this helps out.
Cheers guy's keep lifting
Hey just curious what your thoughts would be running Sust 250 and Primo side by side? breaking up the 250 into 125mg every 3 days, and running Primo at 400/week?
AnonI wouldn't run less than 600mg... or at least you shouldn't I run 150-200mg per week
thanks for the feedback, 600 on the primo your saying?
To say that women are best for primo is not accurate, Arnold won how many times? His cycle always included 700mgs of primo. From first hand experience primo on a mg by mg basis is the best ANY body builder could use. Yes you could do tren or masteron but they do serious damage and the gains are not retained once discontinued, Primo gains stay with you as long as you keep training. My primo cycle gives me results like nothing else. Everyone is different but don't say that primo is for girls,its quality gains with minimal sides. What more could you ask for?
AnonWalks description of primo is pretty spot on. Many men find that they are dissatisfied wth it and I susupect it is because they don't run it in a high enough dose and they expet major gains from primo except that is not primos primary function. That said women are the primary consumers of primo and due to the low androgenc side effects it is well suited for women to use.
As you said most guys don't run a high enough dosage and are disappointed also when they do run high dosages they might think the gains will be more dramatic than what they are. My friends I have turned on to primo didn't have huge weight gains but before and after shots there chest is more pronounced, there shoulders more rounded, wider V in there back, legs more rounded and defined. Frankie said it well great gains minimal side and you retain it which is most important. I know there are some hard core AAS users here but when you look at primo from a positive and negative ratio it has to be at the top of the list.
FrankieKeep in mind that if one is running ugl primo then imo its not primo , its eq/ low dose deca/mast
Primo raws are stupidly expencive and its not in ugl, s best intrest to invest in such a product that is not in high demand
Bayer pharma grade primo is what a comsumer should use if going the primo route but again becarefull as there is counterfits on the black market
AnonI don't think you can make such a blanket statement regarding primo's legitimacy. I have run all of those compounds except for mast (I don't care for dht derivative compounds and their side effects) and I can say that the primo I have is not eq or deca.. and I don't get the sides that would make me think it is mast.
FrankieHow can yoi say for sure your
Primo is not eq/low dose deca?
The idea of primo is to rin a clean diet and get some solid lean gains, unless you have run real pharma grade primo you have no idea of primo gains
Whats your cycle look like?
Hey mate at no point did I say it is for women only. I think that you may have miss read what I posted.
Sorry brother didn't mean to come across harsh I have tried all different compounds and feel primo is the best IMO. My greatest gains in development have been from primo.
No probs mate. The main point was to highlight the compound it's self. It is very good as a precomp drug. I have used it on many occasion. I also Finnish most of my cycles on primo as well due to the way it works at retaining gains.
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To get the best of primo you need at least 400mg/week split into 2 dosages to keep plasma levels stable. 500mg a week will yield great results as long as you have good stuff. I have done primo that is crap and done the best of the best and got unbelievable results. If you have good stuff at 500mg a week you are going to have a fun ride. As far as pip goes its no where near as bad as winstrol and I find the pain bearable and well worth it. I also found that large dosages of test takes away the chiseled look that primo gives you but I like the more lean greek god look than huge and bulky. Either way primo works great in bulking or cutting.
FrankieOf course primo will have less pip than winstrol.
Wintrol is an esterless hormone like test suspension and these give bad pip ,in genral the longer the ester the less pip so primo should have veru little pip.
If running primo keep test low becasue as yoi said it takes away the chissle look and hardness primo gives due to esteron related warter from that test gives
I would say
200mgs test per week
500-800mgs of primo per week
Thay would be a nice spot to star
Also adding a dht like winstrol or masteron is a great addition along side primo
on the money with your cycle but I do anavar with the primo. talk about looking like you are right out of a comic book.
FrankieYes anavar is another great compound to run along side primo
70-100 mgs works wonders and its mild on the htpa too
Low dose (hrt) test
Primo
Var
Minium shut down
A far better and faster recovery from the likes of the 19 nor (deca/tren)
Gaind are also lean/hard and most of all keepable
Impressive! You have done your homework.
Anon5 times a week? you only need to pin primo once a week bro... you have a 100mg/ml correct?
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AnonPip isn't horrible..hurts my dellts just enough to wake me up when I am sleeping and roll over on it...;-)
i wish this wasn't faked so much or so expensive. The profile is great.
Primobolan Bayer&Schering is best . you need to use not less then 3 months .. it has ver less side effects and quality mass gain . 600-1000mg per week would be enough.. you gone a see resoults in 7-10 days not less .
has anyone tried/or used primo from british dragon
Anonbd has a good reputation but I m only familiar with lixus. There may be some reviews in the product review section..
I run eq during the winter and primo during the summer. I have also done many times Shering primobolan which is by far the best you can get and if someone swapped eq for primo I would definitely know the difference. Primo and eq are very often compared to each other but from personal experience you can't compare the two. 600mg of primo compared to 600mg of eq is night and day when it comes to the results.
Can you elaborate a little more on how they differ in YOUR experience? Are you saying that primo is stronger or weaker than eq?
If you take 400mgs of eq or take 400mgs of primo you will get better gains with primo. You get leaner and more develop from primo providing your bf is low enough. Primo is more quality then quantity. From years of trying all different AAS I have found that I get more develop and retain my gains best with primo. It is by far my favorite and yes its expensive but well worth every penny. UG labs make some good primo but Shering is by far the best you can get.
AnonThat is a completely wrong comparison though. Try and compare 600mg of primo to 1.2g of eq. Thats were the costs are arround the same and i would think the results would be extreme on both cases not only for primo. Also what would you prefer to take 400mg primo or 800mg eq? You take the minimum dose on the primo and the max dose on eq for the same ammount of cash.
I will propably try primo for once in my life but since eq is working for me is going to be my compound of choice for most cycles. Primo is hard on the hairline as well when eq is much milder
I am on 600mg of eq now with 500mg of sus and I am having great results. But this past summer when I got beat by naps for the second part of my shipment I had to cut back on what I had until I could get more and for a month I was on 250mg of sus and 400mg of primo and I looked way better in the summer.If I could have 800mg of eq or 400mg of primo I would take the primo hands down. It's worth every penny.
Hey Logan I know this is an old post but the primo you got from naps, was it GP Primo? If so how did it work for you? Would you say it was legit?
AnonI am getting awesome results with 600mg eq as well, i would even say the dose is a bit too much for me. Havent tried primo but since it is harsher on the hairline than eq is i think i would prefer the 800mg eq to 400mg of primo. If primo was cheaper and i could pin 600-700mg of that i would go for primo any day
In my case I have a receding hair line and primo doesn't effect it. If it did I wouldn't touch the stuff. I would love to try masteron but because of how bad that's on the hair line I won't go near it. I have heard of peoples hair falling out in clumps.
AnonThats interesting i thought the only side it had was that it was hard on the hair. I have tried proviron which should be about the same on the hair as masteron and never had a problem. You dont get any itchy scalp or anything like that while on primo? Do you use any protection nizoral etc?
I have never had any problems with primo. Especially when it comes to my hair line or scalp. I have been using rogaine for years, it hasn't regrown any hair but it has stopped my hair from falling out. My hair line hasn't moved in years. My doctor told me that if used regularly rogaine can extremely slow down loss of hair or in some cases completely stop hair loss but the key is using it everyday.
proscar help with it as well .28 tb would be enough for 2 cycles .cheers
It is wonderful on paper. The price and the fact it is the number one faked aas are the reason most go with eq over it.
Primo is the rolls royce of AAS but due to the price most ppl dont use it ..and most uglabs are under dosed and some give you eq instead of it, so if you could go the pharma grade route 400mg a week will be enough inmo
AnonInteresting, I have yet to get eq instead of primo.. I ll be watching for that in the future.. and since I don't run large doses of anything under dosing really doesn't affect me all that much .. this last cycle I did front load and have gradually increased my dosage to 50mg but haven;t felt the need to up it all. I think everyone has a different sweet spot.
AnonThat is because Primo should not be used for a "mass building" cycle..
Quick paste....
Primobolan is an anabolic steroid also known as methenolone acetate in the tablet form, or as and injectable it is called Primobolan Depot, methenolone enanthate and has a certain following because of its comparative safety and low incidence of side effects. Some fans of Primobolan advocate using it as a bridge. The tablet form of Primobolan has a very short half-life of two to three days before the liver completely obliterates it and like other oral steroids must be taken daily. Some people consider it a must have drug for pre-contest routines. On the other side of the coin, it is not as powerful or fast acting as some of the other anabolic steroids but does have its place in a steroid cycle according to many, but it is rarely in the bulk up cycle. Because Primobolan tablets are less common, when a user refers to "Primobolan" they more than likely mean Primobolan Depot, the injectable, and not the tablets.
Injectable Primobolan is usually recommended at doses of 400mg – 600 mg a week although it may be tempting to go with lower doses because of expense. Many people find that too low a dose simply doesn’t do the trick. Because of the long enanthate ester used in Primobolan, the effects manifest more slowly. Speculation is that those who have tried Primobolan Depot or Primobolan tablet and been disappointed have not used enough of the drug over a long enough period of time or have tried to use it for the wrong purposes. Primobolan injectable has been compared to the old Masteron anabolic steroid, but usually takes 12 weeks to really kick in. Often Primobolan is chosen for its anti-catabolic effects.
Primobolan the tablet as opposed to the Primobolan Depot is an oral anabolic steroid with some unique characteristics. First, it is a non-17-alpha-alkylated oral steroid. 17 alpha alkylated makes it possible for some oral steroids to survive at least for a day or so when passed through the liver. The side effect though to 17 alpha alkylated is that it can be liver toxic, and many steroid users have suffered from this. Primobolan tablets are still bio-available and do relatively little liver damage because they are non-17-alpha-alkylated. This makes it attractive to many steroid users. Tablets have a short half-life and usually are taken in daily doses. Primobolan is also one of the few anabolic steroids that are relatively safe for women’s use.
Perhaps the most complaints from body builders who have tried Primobolan are that it is a relatively expensive anabolic steroid and that if they try to use it for a bulking cycle it can’t do the job alone. However because it is known for putting on permanent muscle mass over a longer period of time it can be an effective addition to pre-contest routines.
It is advisable that individuals who plan to purchase Primobolan, do so from a known manufacturer rather than attempting to play the "is it a real or fake steroid game”. Primobolan can be effective when used at the correct doses and for the correct purposes.
I have about 6 full 10 ml. vials of this premier cutting steroid. It's not cheap, but it is the cadillac of cutters/polishers. Great for finishing touches prior to competition. Grrrl is currently on a Primo cycle, and loves the results. In the case of women, a low dose is very effective, and grrrl is seeing some damn good strength increases. Guys can see strength/size increases with this compound as well, but will need high doses to do so, which makes it not cost effective due to the already high price. And even then, Primo is NOT going to perform like Deca, Test or Tren in terms of size gains. If you wanna get hardened up and vascular, Primo is a great choice. I'm considering running it, but not untill a summer cutter, and would most likely stack it with Mast or EQ,and a low-androgenic oral like Anavar. Test, of course, always remains. But my fear of losing any size will probably preclude me from doing so in the end, and more than likely, grrrl will get the stash all for herself.
If you have read some of my posts you will know this is by far my favorite of them all. I also like your description of it. I would highly recommend you taking it this summer. I have run it at 2oomg/week and 300mg/week with good results but when you jump to 400or 500mg/week the results are dramatic. This is my favorite summer cuting drug along with var. I always thought about adding masteron but because of hair loss I will not touch the stuff. You definitely will not loose any size if you go with a dose of at least 400mg/week. This is what I do 400-600mg/week(depending on cash flow) with 60mg var split into three dosages with just 250mg/week of sustanon. The sustanon helps you retain your size at that dosage with minimal water retention. As long as your bf% is 8% or less you will look like Mechelangelo himself carved you out of stone. I promise you will not be disappointed.
Thanks logan...You certainy make it sound enticing. I've got some fat to lose, but Primo could stack very well with my Rip Blend as well.
Axio has a 200mg/ml of primobolan. If you do it like my summer cycle and add in some masteron e you would only have to hit yourself twice a week. I don't know about you but I hate pinning myself more than twice a week.
AnonI am using it right now.. typically used for cutting.. I really like and am using it with t bol right now. My strength gains are incredible and I am pushing weights for reps and pounds that I never thought possible. The big issue for men is that they need to run it at about 400 -600 mg. otherwise the results are not what you would want or expect. The fat is sliding off and the fun thing is that I am maintaining my weight.
A guy running 600 mg.s a week means he's going to go through a bottle in about 10 days, since this compound is typically dose at around 100 mg/ml...somtimes 150.
Very expensive to run when you consider it's going to be stacked with other compounds for maximum effectiveness.
tread-mUsed it a long long time ago brother as an oral tab like anavar with test. I remember having to ramp it up much more than was suggested but I did have some benefit and if I rememeber it was similar to the benefit of var now but weaker. I've been interested again recently if you dig up some good info just to switch it up a little. I"m sure I used it wrong in those days since it was all guess work! PM your thoughts as you research it if you decide to run it.