DMZ Side effects (Newb)
So this is my first cycle ever. I told the guy at the local supplement place that I wanted to try anabolic for mass gains. I've been lifting a lot since I was 15, I am now 25. 5'11 225 lbs. So he gave me DMZ and a liver clense and instructed me to take 2 a day (of each) once in the morning once at night, and drink at least a gallon of water.
Well I'm drinking well over a gallon and I'm about 2 weeks into the cycle. He mentioned that if my back starts hurting that means my kidneys are going. For about 3 days now I've been experiencing a dull tingling sensation and discomfort in my upper back area in the center below almost in between my shoulder blades. So of course I'm freaking out a little. But if I'm not mistaken the kidneys are quite lower than where I'm experiencing the issues. And I've been googling my ass off finding no similar occurrence. Just a lot of forums like this. So I figured I'd join and ask you guys.
Anyone have a similar experience? And tips on what I should do? Or what exactly is happening? Also I haven't stopped taking it cuz I'm not sure if I should be jumping right to a PCT or not. Thanks in advance!!
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nfernoThe problem with dmz is how they say it's less harsh but a great anabolic. That's bullshit. It's just as bad as methylsten and other prohormones. There's even a recent study on ergo about it.
AnonFor a second I got this confused with the diet pill that kills you. I almost lost it. Hah. The prohormone though? Might as well just do an actual cycle with test
All of these special people posting dumb shit lately. I honesty think it's one person and he's sitting back fucking with everyone. It's all low karma people with new accounts.
WTF is DMZ man?!?
Now I'll take some LSD and MDMA...but that's not for building muscle
aaah......... they,ll take anything if saves from hard dieting or using the proper training principles consistently
omg man...you guys woke me up again. WTF is going on around here...I don't even know where to start, there is straight shit everywhere
and whatever happened to just pinning some good ol fashion TEST!?!
No shit. My favorite cycle recently was 400 test and 375 mg of sust a week. Wish I'd have played around with that one years ago.
People are pissing so much potential away and burning out way too fast.
I'm running 500 sust, 300 eq and 125 deca right now and I'm doing just great IMO
Fkn-A brother exactly! Alot of wasted energy on these flamboyant cycles and not even competing...lift till you cant pick up the weight you were using to rep, eat ALOT... frequently as you should be hungry after the iron assaults, and have a little test to treat yourself to a speedy recovery...to keep tearing yourself down then building yourself up. These clowns make it so damn difficult!
Im fkn struggling trying to carve up this body through mass amounts of sets and restricted clean diet...not fun in the slightest! Only on 300mgs of test a week...and I am seeing shit happen! Because even though I hate this new leaf I thrive on damage under the weights! This shit is HARD but I aint scared...life is hard...fk hard...
Welcome to 2016.
Thanks homie
Should be some kind of continuous party here in 2016...as it already seems!!!
Don't know about a party, moron convention seems more appropriate.
RustyhookerShuuush! You're being mean and uncivilized. God is watching!
so is Santa with his naughty and nice :-/
lumps on the head this xmas lol
Fuck knows brother............ its gone #1 LUNATIC lately, some of the posts are simply outrageous.... i have an open mind to most things but *fuck me!!.............lets hope Feb brings some sense.
Edit:
Eh, I was feeling a little sarcastic, but really, what's the point?
Those are what we call "back pumps" add Taurine 2-4 grams a day for back pumps.
I strongly advise AGAINST orals. Especially when a company hates you enough to mix 2 or 3 methyls in one pill. Unfortunately the liver failure kicks in AFTER you have fucked up and you think your in the clear.
If your 25. Read up, study up, and If you still want to use anabolics "The Pin" is the cleanest/safest way to go.
Best of luck.
Kidney failure and he probably didn't want to tell you about the possible liver damage. There are a lot safer and better alternatives out there.
bigurielWow people really love to blow things out of proportion, if it was me asking and people were telling me about kidney failure I'd be scared shitless lol
For starters I've never seen any evidence of any anabolic steroid ever causing kidney failure. Liver issues with orals yes, kidneys never, not once any shred of data to back up that urban myth.
And DMZ isn't really all that. I've used it and it's very overrated in both potency and side effects. I'm pretty sure winstrol is harsher on your system for example.
And yes I have used DMZ (and winstrol too before anyone asks), unlike most people here who love to talk shit about designer steroids without the slightest clue of what they're talking about, and still believe they're not "the real thing".
Also for the record DMZ 2.0 is DMZ and methylstenbolone, which I believe is actually more toxic, and DMZ 3.0 adds M1A, not M1T. It's said to be a prohormone to M1T but conversion seems to be pretty low because the effects aren't all that.
I do agree that it is a very strong product not something I would generally recommend, but come on telling the guy he's going to die (and not as a joke) is a bit excessive.
http://www.renalandurologynews.com/renal-week-2009/steroids-may-harm-ath...
Take it for what it's worth but there are actually a lot of articles on the subject
RustyhookerI missed the part where death was mentioned. But some pimple faced GNC salesperson gives you a jar and warns of kidney failure. I'd definitely look sideways at the one eating it.
X2 Lmfao !!!
I spoke to him today he said what he told me was that if I don't drink lots of water my kidneys might fuck up and if I'm having lower back pain it's because they're going. But I'm not I'm having muscle spasms in my upper back.
Yeah I figured it all out. I talked to a bunch of people and drew the conclusion I'm taking something that isn't really harmful if I'm only doing it for one cycle. Idk what everyone's issue us here. Only really good info I got out of this is the term "back pumps" wish you would have commented 24 hours ago lol
Not sure how things are blown out of proportion. Apparently the jacked dude behind the counter is the one telling him about kidney failure, so maybe he knows more than I do. I don't really give a shit either way, it very well could cause problems with kidneys. Who knows what else is in that stuff. Methylated oral = liver stress, correct me if I am wrong. Seen plenty of kids running around with yellow eyeballs because of all these PH's.
RustyhookerCompletely safe. Kidneys, liver...bah.
https://www.steroidal.com/steroids-news/designer-steroid-can-cause-sever...
http://m.hic.sagepub.com/content/2/2/2324709614532800.full
Nice post Rust if a person can read and comprehend I seriously dont think i would f'^& around with this shit which i had never even heard of.
RustyhookerBasic hazards of testosterone. ....zits and a boner.
Hazards of prohormones. ...thats a long list starting with liver and kidneys plus shutdown then to lose it all on orals only. I'll take zits for $5 Bob
bigurielliver =/= kidneys
And all that's said negatively about "prohormones" is the same about all oral AAS. I don't see anyone on the dbol topics going on about how it can cause jaundice and (supposedly) kidney failure.
I'll say it again, because people seem to miss the point for some reason: these so called "prohormones" ARE ORAL STEROIDS! They just happen to still be legal in Europe and were until recently in the US.
Are DMZ, msten, SD, epistane etc liver toxic? Yes they are. So is dbol, drol, winny, var, tbol...
Are there studies indicating these synthetic steroids may cause other issues with stuff like kidneys? Yes, but nothing definitive, and I can find you similar examples from all the steroids we all know and love. Nandrolone for instance was in one study shown to potentially rot away your arteries and you don't see people going apeshit over those possible sides when someone talks about a test/deca cycle.
It's the double standard that gets to me. Can these hormones be bad for your health? Yes they can, and so can all the others that bodybuilders and athletes have used since as far back as the 60s. It's a calculated risk. Are these prohormones/designer steroids more harmful than the most known orals? I don't know, on steroid forums 99% of people say so but there's nothing to back that up.
I remember when 1-test was a "prohormone" and every steroid user thought it was shit. Now that a couple labs have made injectable 1-test you hear great things about it, "tren without the sides" many will tell you. SD was also shit until a few UGLs started selling it, now lots of steroid users will tell you how incredibly effective it is. Some "prohormone" shit couldn't possibly work as well as proper gear like dbol, right? Wrong, it actually works better.
IMO the liver and kidney toxicity of steroids is pretty overblown. Probably way safer than downing liquor all day
"Way safer" still does not equal safe. We are all most certainly taking risks by doing what we do, no sense sugar coating any of it.
RustyhookerGoing out to some gnc to get death in a pill is bs and you know better. But you'd rather piss pasdive aggressive bullshit to kiddies for cool factor.
Op just wanted a cosigner. So fondle his nuts in pm. Damn shirtlifter.
Party on wayne!
What was so offensive about his post? I also don't see where he consigned anything?
RustyhookerTrue. The op is the one to decide really.
bigurielI know more than you because I've actually researched these drugs and used them, as well as regular gear so I know the difference (or lack thereof) firsthand.
What do you know about DMZ exacty? Have you ever used it? Even known in person someone who did?
Yeah didn't think so. So what you say about it comes out of what orifice?
If a natural guy went around the forums commenting on the effects of test and deca he wouldn't just be ignored and flamed, he'd probably be banned. But I guess when it comes to "prohormones" it's different.
But what do I know, I'm just saying this for the cool factor. What I really want is for the OP to give me dat dere karma. Oh wait...
methlstenbolone, dymethazine and m1t mixed into one nasty litlle pill perfect for uneducated kids to take, but you are not an uneducated little kid are you mosaku
scronnnyymmee-
Why dont all you dudes , lay out all your gear all over your bed , and then JERK OFF all over them !!!
CUZ you're all a bunch of jerk-offs anyway !!! baaaaaahahahahaaaahahahahahahahahaahahahaha .
Scronny Me RULES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
notice the typing particualy the word CUZ joined today and posted this, typing same as scronnymmmee ban yesterday, also same typing as mosaku another ban member...........
So wait you think I'm someone else? Dude idgaf about the cops you wanna add me on snap chat or Facebook or something? I'll send you videos of my ID showing that I'm 25. And the DMZ and that I'm not some Asian mosaku or w.e anime loving dickneck he might be. I came on here being dead ass serious. And I tried to be very respectful and formal cuz I wasn't joking at all.
musseldawg69No personal info ottoman including snap chat fb or id pics a pic of the dmx be cool to see which one u have, I can tell you cops=bad I can from experience tell u that, theres people on here that are cat fishing all the time cant blame him for looking out for the community good luck with ur situation bro lots a good info on diet here im already accessing from guys who are competing I can give u a link to I seen big murph here offer to help with ur goals aside from ur dmx problem, there are rules and just be respectful
RustyhookerI did but still got scolded for being too harsh. Everyone from here out will get the gtg fyre and high five. Lol
musseldawg69I seen dmz 3.0 I think it was going for like 300 bucks might of been 1 crazy how the legal stuff will mess you up more, I've never tried it but personally id discontinue it if your worried especially if your already having sides two weeks in
I would guess these are back pumps, or you threw out your rhomboid muscle. Either way, some taurine will set you straight. I take three grams a day for either scenario.
I think that DMZ can increase prolactin. I know it converts to estrogen. You should stop because you didn't list an AI and I question what your PCT is. Did you buy that at the supplement store too?
Thank you! And I haven't purchased it yet. He told me that before my last week of the cycle I should come and grab it and he would give me the right one. I just took his word for it cuz he was a brick shit house and sounded like he knew what he was talking about.
You said I should stop cuz I didn't list an AI and Idk what an AI is. As you can see I'm severely uninformed and just wanted some input before I go to the emergency room for no reason.
Any PCT you have in mind that I should grab?
I'm not a prohormone expert. You didn't do research on this and weren't prepared. As I mentioned, I think this increases prolactin, which could cause you to lactate. If it converts to estrogen, then an AI is needed. It prevents this conversion. If you don't stop the conversion, you can grow tits. I suggest you stop. No need for a hospital visit.
A PCT can be obtained quickly and cheaply from a research site. Check out the sources listed.
Start over and research here. This is a solid resource.
Thanks man I really appreciate it. I'm gonna stop by the supplement place and talk to this guy. Again what is an AI?
musseldawg69Good luck bro solid advice from pez just do ur homework
aromatase inhibitor
I'm gonna take my business to another Forum maybe they cam help. Thanks anyway guys.
It sounds like maybe you have hurt your upper back,,,perhaps during training?
bigmurphIf that is you in your profile pic you might want to take your face out of the pic not to smart to show everyone who you are
Thank you I did.