+ 9 To all you newbs...theres nothing like being natty. Do your pct!
So I've been around here a while now and I've learned from the gurus here. Learned lots actually. For example....more is not always better. Diet controls the outcome, not the drugs...just the things that should make sense to all of us. But when we are young and full of test sometimes we don't think straight. Sometimes we go against what is right even though we know better. We get caught up in the moment and we don't think about the big picture. The long term results of our choices. But to all you newbs there is hope if you listen to us guys who have been there and learned lessons the hard way. You don't have to make the same mistakes as I did. Heres what i'm getting at. POST CYCLE THERAPY!!! There is something going on around this place that is disturbing and I feel as a community that we should be questioning it. There are too many guys that are putting themselves on trt at a stupid young age. 24 and 25 year old guys who have average genetics, that probably aren't going to be able to make a career out of their physiques, and these guys are just blasting and cruising instead of doing pct. Now i'm not here to bash anyone. We are all adults here. But im here to tell you right now....there's is nothing like being natty. Nothing like having a healthy natural test level. I've been on pct for going on 5 weeks now. Nolva and clomid. I decided about a year ago after already being on a year, that I would just go trt and blast and cruise. So I did and honestly, it just wasn't near as great as I expected. I value good sex. I really do. Its very very important to me and whats better for a relationship than great sex? My libido has not been right since. It's just not the same even with 200mgs of pharm test, your libido just isn't there the way it should be. I remember wanting to tackle my woman 2 or 3 times a day and REALLY wanting it, but now...I might WANT sex once or twice a week. Honestly im depressed about it. Im too damn young for trt and too damn young to be having this problem. I hope and pray with a double pct that I can recover. But to all you newbs and young hard headed cats...just do your damn PCT. There are many benefits to being natural. No need to stay on for long periods with mega doses, not unless you are at the top. These drugs work just like any other drug. Your body builds a tolerance to them. The effects become lesser and lesser the longer you stay on and increasing the dose may help for a bit, but then that's when the sides become devastating. I feel that my body only grows in spurts. So it makes sense to me to train hard naturally, eat right and peak out, the hop on a cycle to gain a few more pounds, then get off, recover, and do it all over again. We should all be playing by these rules as young people. TRT is for life. It's no joke. I hope I can save some of you guys the trouble I've been having. Wish me luck guys.
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Thanks.. I had thoughts of blastingand crucruising. Decided not to
Good post B! Glad you put it out there for everyone to see! +3
Hgh between cycle, to recover and keep the gain, have you consider?
VewiKeep gains sure.. but doesn't do much for libido
Props for posting this up. This is way too easy to fall in to. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't considering it this time around myself. The mental aspect of the game is what gets us. You're right, when you start developing a certain look, you hold that as your standard and it's hard to let go just a little bit. It's easy to make a snap decision without considering the long term.
I really hope everything works out for you brother. Honestly this post is exactly what I needed to see as a reminder to myself because I wanted to start cruising. Maybe some triptorellin will help kick start you quick. PT-141 does help with libido, even during a harsh shut down. I will vouch for that with certainty. Keep us posted.
A I've suffered a harsh shut down that required a couple bouts of HCG, clomid, nolva. I found that once the course of nolva and clomid cleared, a quick 4 week bout of D aspartic acid at 3 gram in the AM and 3 gram in the PM helped keep the LH signal up. I ran a couple bouts of that 4 weeks on 4 off, after clomid and nolva course
Seems like your PCT is going pretty well because that takes balls
Great post man I wish you a speedy recovery.
Great post really does give a strong point. You say your body builds a resistance to the Test, so how do people who are on long term tackle this problem? Just very curious
I feel you on this great post bro. I just wanna make a suggestion if the nova an clomid fail to bring you back to par try Toremifene Citrate there's been people who were in the same boat as you all jacked up from taking the wrong road or just over doing it. 1 case was as long as 2 years and this was his bloods before starting T.C.. The blood was drawn in sets of 3, 15 minutes apart, because LH and FSH are pulsatile
LH: 1.54, 1.51, 1.60 (mIU/ml)
FSH: 2.20, 2.37, 2.79 (mIU/ml)
Test: 250, 256, 264 (ng/dl)
and here's 10days of taking T.C
LH: 2.43, 1.94, 1.54
FSH: 3.65, 3.27, 3.92
Test: 402, 418, 435
I came across a lot of great success story's when doing my research on this stuff but this one stood out best PCT i've ever done recovered faster then ever i'll never go back to clomid or nova again that's all I'm saying so maybe you can give it a try can't hurt. best of luck bro
MilKmAnDam bro why'd you go pinning for that long?? Competing??
Is it possible to go on trt by doing a cycle with full pct? (10 week cycle)
BostonBecause I was a fool bro. Nope, not competing. Just loved the way I looked and felt and was too afraid to do a pct...now im here.
MilKmAnI am in no position or have enough knowledge to suggest you anything about AAS but maybe it would be beat to just drop it for a while... Maybe a year until everything stabilizes.... As fucked up it sounds, I hope you learned your lesson and wish you the quickest recovery bro!!! I'm sure many gurus here will be happy to help you!!
Great post. PCT sucks compared to being on but it is necessary. It is just one of the rules of this game. Great post Boston. I think it applies to all of us, not just the 20 somethings. +1
VewiFriend request sent, if you want to reach out and need any more advice or help.. still great post.
Well now don't you seem familiar?
Yup.. Hes back in action. ;)
Dude, I wish I had the karma to give you a +1000 for this. I am on trt (not by choice) and it definitely is not the same. It pains me to see guys in their mid and late 20's opting for blast and cruise. Good luck with your PCT.
BostonNo not the same at all. Not even close. If I get my natty back I may decide to never cycle again until my mid 40's. I miss my libido lol.
I have been doing some reading on treating declining test with clomid therapy, rather than pushing exogenous testosterone into the body. The every-day clomid jumpstarts the hpt axis in middle aged and older men who are having natural declines in test production. It would require staying off cycle, or starting all over again, but very interesting theory.
That leads me to a question. Would it be of any benefit to periodically take clomid while on cycle? Maybe just to keep your nuts from completely shutting down?
VewiYou don't need to go that far brother.
BostonMan I hope not. Id like to use again but not if it's gonna be the end of my natty test.
VewiGood post brother.
If you need help let me know.
Well fucking said B. Great reminder!
And i hope you get your natty levels back up to par. Good luck.
+2 from me
BostonThanks buddy. I hope they come back too...this sucks!!
Im sure it does bro... Im actually gonna start my First Cycle Test E only this fall...and im kinda dreading going on PCT. lol
Vewiyou shouldn't if done right
Im sure i'll do it right, been researchin for awhile now i got this shit locked down.lol... But i guess its just cuz this will be my first REAL cycle ever ya know.
PCT is easy when you're new to the game. I'm in PCT right now and I feel pretty good. I miss my pumps and extra aggression in the gym but on a simple beginner cycle - it's cake.
AnonGood post